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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Is this... controversial? o.O

It's fucking insane to watch watch happening in the US from other countries.

edit to make my position clearer, Django is a fucking awesome movie not because it shows slavery, but because it shows black history making me better able to empathise with it and it has crackers getting what they deserve (and I'm white btw and used to be I thought "cracker" meant the colour of like crackers as in biscuits, but then later learned it's because they're cracking a whip, which makes much more sense).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Regardless of what's being defended, this is a "poisoning the well" fallacy, and should be avoided as a rhetorical tactic. This particular example serves no purpose than the stroke the ego and sense of moral superiority of those on one side, and alienate those on the other, and create a divisive binary where there isn't one, and shouldn't be one.

Suppose someone argues that the solution is making sure no historical figures are diminished due to their race, not just during a certain month, but always, and therefore doesn't believe that focusing on a single race for an arbitrary amount of time is productive. Well, OP would dump them squarely into the 'enslavers and segregationists' camp, where they obviously do not belong.

I'm reminded of my gay friends who hate many modern pride events because they feel they do the opposite of normalizing homosexuality in focusing on garish oversexualized public displays. They'd be called homophobes by the equivalent of the OP--isn't that a bit ridiculous?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago

I don't believe it, common sense in Lemmy? Wild.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I really want either a miniseries or a bunch of movies telling the story of the Haitian Revolution. Sadly, that seems to never be able to get funded. It’s almost as if Americans or the French, who would be most likely to tell the story, don’t want people to know this story.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Well there's always the play Toussaint Louverture, written in 1934. Paul Robeson played the title role in 1936 in London. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toussaint_Louverture:_The_Story_of_the_Only_Successful_Slave_Revolt_in_History

The playwright, CLR James, later wrote a book about the revolt, and revised his play, which went on the stage as The Black Jacobins.

From the Wiki: "In 2018, it was announced that the book was going to be made into a television programme thanks to Bryncoed Productions, with the assistance of Kwame Kwei-Armah."

Bryncoed was founded by Foz Allan. I did a bit of poking around but found nothing linking either of them or Kwei-Armah with The Black Jacobins. I would love to see a TV series on the revolt, I hope something comes to pass. CLR James was an interesting fellow too, his achievements deserve more recognition.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They mentioned it in the new Castlevania series. That is probably the most I learned about it from media.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I saw that too. It was a nice way to indroduce Voudon to it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There is a lot of good history boardgames can teach. And fun alternate history they can create :)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't have strong feelings one way or another, with one exception: why in the hell did anyone think it was okay to own a person and why the fuck did it continue for as long as it did?

That's seriously fucked up.

I'm not a person of color, so I don't think my opinion matters much in the discussion. Black history is just a part of the history of humanity. It should not be erased, it should be viewed as a lesson, like most of the rest of history.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

why in the hell did anyone think it was okay to own a person and why the fuck did it continue for as long as it did?

Because it made them a lot of money. You can go back to any point in history and find people saying slavery is immoral, and not just the enslaved people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

So what you're saying is.... Capitalism is the problem.

DOWN WITH THE SYSTEM!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"B-b-b-b-but where's WHITE history month????? uncontrollable sobbing"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Every month is white history month! Yes, February as well.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Anyone offended by history needs to reflect on their priorities and identity.

I'm not offended that white people claimed this land at the point of a sword, and even worse, in the embrace of a smallpox blanket. Horrified, yes, but not offended. I'm not offended that the backbone of the economy for a hundred years was built on the backs of stolen people on stolen land.

I'm not offended by history.

What I am offended by is the present. I'm offended that people who have been oppressed and started out life with less than nothing have been told by the privileged elite to "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps like the rest of us did". That's fucking vile. I'm offended that we keep trying to whitewash confederate slave owning generals, instead of teaching who they really were, and what they really killed for, and ordered other people to die for. Be offended about what we are doing now, and use history as the reason why we should change it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The thing that offends me about history is how we humans never learn a damn thing from it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's incredibly jarring to have the burden of knowledge while others revel in their own ignorance. As a minority and a former Marine, I am deeply ashamed and disappointed in my fellow Americans.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's hard to really blame them, public education in the U.S. has been a nightmare for decades now. How can people be expected to learn from history if they're not even being taught to read?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I do not think the problem is education, but a fundamental trait about human nature. Education, as an institution, can only lay the groundwork; it cannot instill the intrinsic desire to learn and grow. That fire must be kindled from within, yet so many treat learning as a phase of life rather than a lifelong pursuit.

There is a deep and persistent resistance to intellectual evolution in society. A cultural thread that regards curiosity with suspicion and introspection with discomfort. Too often, people conflate questioning with opposition, and the invitation to examine one's beliefs is perceived as an attack rather than an opportunity. This isn’t a failure of education; it’s a failure of cultural conditioning, perhaps even a failure of human instinct.

Nietzsche wrote: "You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist." Yet, instead of seeking out and embracing fluidity, many anchor themselves to certainty, mistaking stagnation for stability. They prefer to defend what they are rather than work toward what they could be. This anti-intellectual obstinacy isn't uniquely American or modern; it's something that's been with us from the start. I do not think we cannot educate our way out of the problems we keep making for ourselves; it's going to have to be either revolution, or evolution.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Its still frustrating though. Doubly so when you consider what American history actually is. Yes, we were started by colonizers and slavers. We also fought a war to throw off the British crown, fought a war to defeat those slavers and eventually brought abolition. And when they weaseled their way out of Reconstruction, we took to the streets. We marched to give women the right to vote and work, and to give queers the right to marry and bodily autonomy. And now, as a fascist traitor tries to undo all of that, we are called upon to uphold the tradition of our forefathers. To sweat, bleed, cry and die, until we live up to that pledge of liberty and justice for all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Right? Reading about European history, and that shit goes back to year 0 or further. Read American history, and it starts in the late 1400s... And that ought to tell you something real important right there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

I get the point your making, but American history goes back much further once you count the Natives; which admittedly my last comment also fucks up with

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