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Poilievre's message for Americans (youtu.be)
submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Being charitable... I'm not sure this is the best messaging he can go with. He doesn't seem to realize it's over. Most of us are finished with the US and we can't trust them at this point. He needs to start standing up for Canada and presenting a message of strength, independence and unity... Not continuing to offer platitudes and extending olive branches. Frankly, it looks weak, and it doesn't instill any trust that he will do what's necessary when the time comes.

He finishes off with a show of strength that hits all the right notes, but when it comes after the weaselly opening it just seems like too little, too late.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He ended off decent in the speech, but both leaders here keep talking about how we Canadians fought hand in hand in , took in Americans in 9/11 etc.

They donโ€™t care. Trump and his minions donโ€™t care. At this point, I feel itโ€™s the U.S. vs the world and theyโ€™re willing to go it alone.

They seem to think they have the right to take over whatever nation they want, without recourse, and discuss the splitting up of a nation without the sovereign nation present at the table. Something similar happened in Europe in 1939. This is eerily reminiscent of that.

They do not control the world.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

both leaders here keep talking about how we Canadians fought hand in hand in , took in Americans in 9/11 etc.

I agree they are all saying this, but I sense a difference in intent between Poilievre and the rest.

Maybe it's my bias, but I feel that Poilievre is saying these things with the intent to convince the Americans - i.e., it's for the American audience. By contrast, Carney and others are saying these things more for the Canadian audience - to explain why it's justified to be angry at the Americans and we need to grow up and kick them to the curb.

For Carney and others, it's a rallying cry; for Poilievre it's an attempt at appeasement.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

FWIW, this is the first I've heard of him actually sounding even remotely like a leader rather than a yappy anti-Trudeau dog.

Sounds like he has been trying really hard to pivot his message, knowing that his polling numbers are heading in the wrong direction for him. The main issue is that his past chummy American statements are going to catch up to him, and he has to either side with Maple MAGA or with Canada, he can't have both anymore.

My crystal ball forsees him at the debate repeating one rehearsed line over and over.

[โ€“] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago

What a clown! I can stand behind every word you used to describe this joke of a candidate for prime minister.

I despise everyone that want to appease the US. Since they canโ€™t respect their own signature there is no point in negotiating especially if it weaken our sovereignty and push us to be more dependent on our oppressor. Lets put the 30 % of our gdp in jeopardy and build better trade with Europe and developed Asia. Who knows, maybe the US will pay for some missions critical import anyway and doing so shorten the trade war. I am not pushing to do anything rash but expelling diplomats until the 51st state bullshit stop seems necessary before March 1st.

[โ€“] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago

This slimeball has no idea how the real world works. Why anyone would think he was a good idea is beyond me..

[โ€“] [email protected] 68 points 6 days ago (4 children)

This guy is just Trump in disguise.

We canโ€™t let this toxic conservatism take over Canada!

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

He is not Trump in diguise. He is the conservative equivalent of J Singh. Both these leaders have no actual policy and just knee jerk support whatever is popular in the moment. When Trump was popular he supported trumpism, now that it's no longer popular he changed his tune. He'll change his stance every day.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

At least Singh has a rational political philosophy. That, a good mind, and positive values are enough.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is a good observation. He wants to change his messaging because he sees the writing on the wall. Running around yelling about how shitty the country is, insulting his fellow countrymen, riding a wave of animosity towards minorities, etc. - this is the opposite of unifying. It's reinforcing the teams. He sees it's failing now, but he can't bring himself to actually attack Trump or the GOP. He has to lean into platitudes and empty shows of strength. At the end of the day, it makes him look like he's not angry enough at the US...probably because he's not. He doesn't have an affinity or an understanding of this country beyond narrow political gain, because he's never spent a day of his adult life outside of politics.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'd also add that Poliviere has been dwarfed by the magnitude of issues.

When things were only slightly bad post covid, people still had the capacity to worry about things like how many genders there are.

Then things got existential level bad after Trump came in. Things got very serious. A lot of Poliviere's even recent complaints felt inconsequential while our sovereignty is under attack.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, a carbon tax that results in perhaps a percent of price inflation is just nowhere near as serious - neither in kind nor degree - as 25% across the board tariffs. And if we need to have emission reduction measures in place to trade with the EU, and trading with the EU is now an existential priority, then frankly he can sit down and shut up. The adults are talking.

(the above assumes all the talk of economic annexation is bluster, which is no longer a foregone conclusion)

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't really understand the carbon tax debate. Carbon tax would reduce carbon emissions and cause mild inflation. However corporate greed causes mass inflation and provides no benefit. Why aren't people more mad at greedflation?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Because AXE THE TAX, LIBERAL CUCK!!

[โ€“] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago

Temu Trump

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

People are starting to realize and the polls show since PP's numbers are lowering. As long as who ever takes over the liberals is good cause I'm afraid Trudeau has done too much damage.

Best thing that can be done is word of mouth to get as many knowing PP true nature.

[โ€“] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This whole speech ammounts to "You're supposed to be doing it to them! Not to us!"

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

You're not hurting the right people...close enough to a newspaper quote from turd's term one.