(not my OC nor my OP, just helping spread the message around:-)
It’s just a question of how bad we’ll have it at this point.
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Reminder that there's no "it's too late, its over" for climate change
That can be totally misread.
"oh good then we don't have to do anything right now"
I feel like in a way, it is too late. The human race decided it doesn't care to fight climate change. There is going to be significant disruptions, especially near the equator. But on the other hand, even if we overshoot our climate targets, there is always a chance for us to reverse the damage dealt using technology and by reclamation of ecosystems that have been destroyed. I think as long as our species survives we can fix things. But we need a massive, massive change in attitude to muster the political will to do something.
A few billionaires and rich old assholes decided not to fight climate change. They have a disproportional amount of time behind the mic.
Yeah, it kinda seems like humanity wants to ride that tiger
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Kind of feels like in 20-30 years time we'll be claiming its worth fighting for a climate that doesn't immediately kill us if we go outside for 20 minutes instead of 15.
Or to put it another way, do these scientists not see there's a difference between living and surviving?
God forbid someone tries to think past the next quarter.
If the future can't be livable and people just wants a quiet suicide for the human race I've got good news. There's a very easy solution for avoiding that discomfort that also happens to be the #1 way to reduce your carbon footprint.
But if you want to keep living and not just surviving, suck it up...
Umm, as I understand it, that's not the way the tipping point works
It's the difference between "really bad" and "even worse".
You're confusing completely averting things, with mitigating how bad they are.
Well, at this point, we're fucked. The only difference now is how fucked we are.
I was going to present a partial rebuttal invoking politics but then I saw that this is [email protected].
Another positive is that we humans are highly adaptive. We’re already making a lot of changes towards renewables and improving the efficiency and reliability of our electric grids and other large infrastructure. Climate change definitely brings a ton of challenges with it (and some of the changes have already taken place) but I think it also gives us new opportunities such as longer growing seasons up North.
Some humans are more adaptive than others. The ones that have been sitting around with their heads in the sand aren't going to survive.
Whether or not people survive is going to depend a lot on luck, unfortunately. People in low-lying third world countries are gonna be in the tightest spot.
I don't think healthy skepticism is forbidden here, so feel free to write your rebuttal.
She is right, but the thing thats missing is that this isnt co2 you will keep in a container in your garage. So if I dont use a petrol car, this doesnt remove the petrol. It just means someone else will burn it.
Unless there is supply-side constraints or CO2 capture this has 0 effect
STOP TELLING MY POOR ASS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS ON ME
every bit of conservation i do in my life is undone by a billionaire in a weekend. I am done being blamed for it and having the responsibility thrown at my feet. At this point the best way any one of us can do something meaningful is if we all pull a Luigi. But these memes and articles that put ask the climate change responsibility on the lower classes are nothing more than billionaire propaganda
This is a well established climate-change-laggard argument. It's the whataboutism logical fallacy.
Why should I take action, at great personal cost, when someone else is not taking action and will in fact benefit from my burden?
The Australian (and other) governments hide behind this same excuse. "Australia is just a small country, why should we take action when our CO2 production is just a small portion of that of other countries like China?".
I mean it's a good point, billionaires are worthy of great criticism, and Australia should be putting pressure on other countries, but at the same time we as individuals really do need to be taking action.
I do agree that polluting corporations use this narrative and I also find it infuriating. It's particularly palpable with plastic producers, as in plastic pollution is not their fault, but the fault of consumers failing to recycle. It's not the fault of consumers, it's the fault of regulators, who are elected by voters who are also consumers.
In summary, the whole thing is fucked and everyone sucks, but you still have to tidy up your own shit.
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We are all drops of water that make up an ocean. Billionaires are important too but it's also the fault of lazy people who put old TVs on the sidewalk instead of ewasting them. Everyone's actions add up.
You are downplaying scale. Drops of water can fall on a plant for years. Pour a one ton bucket on it and it's dead in 20 seconds. We are not all "drops" of water. I try to be environmentally conscious in my actions not because I believe it makes a real difference, but only to keep myself from being a hypocrite. The only thing different between a hypocrite and a billionaire is a pile of money.
I still do my part, but it’s for my own integrity, not for saving the world.
This Tweet isn't blaming you.
To me, this argument sounds like someone trying to justify their own littering because corporations don't dispose of their waste properly.
The post is right, but only on the paper, and not really in a world that is progressively taken over by ecocidal autocrats whose program is to kill every bit of efforts in climate fight, so even the smallest progress we made will soon be distant memories and fighting will be increasingly dangerous and difficult and, ultimately, virtually impossible. And the locked-in catastrophes are now sufficient to collapse our already fragilized geopolitical context.
People saying it's "not too late" are systematically downplaying the current political context, wich make their message pretty unconsistent.
If anything the current political context makes what needs to be done pretty clear. There's a difference between downplaying the problem and realizing that if laying down and dieing isn't an option.
So... It IS too late?
I didn’t get that at all from the OP, what I saw was “every bit matters so keep fighting.”
Yes, until the political situation make it unfeasible without being treated like a dangerous terrorist. The OP didn't said it either, but she should have.
OP says "I am a climate scientist and thus is correct⬇️", thus leading me to believe that it was the climate science under discussion, not politics.
Hmm
Remember that it can always be worse. Even if it's irreversible in our lifetimes, it can always be hotter and more extreme.
I mean its a nice opinion but I woul disagree with the first part. The second I would agree with but more in the same way that if you are an army facing a far superior army that will not accept surrender but kill every one of you horribly you will want to fight to your last breath.
I feel qualified neither to agree nor disagree, since I am not a climate scientist.