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Edit: I would recommend checking out the original article just for the sake of seeing the pictures of what hock burn looks like on packaged chicken you would buy from the supermarket.


My TL;DR:

"Hock burn" is caused by ammonia from excrement. A sign of poorer welfare on farms, it can be seen on a third of birds in some supermarkets.

Hock burn is often associated with a high-stocking density of birds and is a result of prolonged contact to moist, dirty litter. It shows up on packaged and prepared meat as brown ulcers on the back of the leg.

Chicken with hock burn markings are still safe to eat. But the amount of hock burn within a poultry flock is an industry-accepted indicator of wider welfare standards on farms.

Red Tractor, the UK's biggest farm and food assurance scheme, sets a target rate for hock burn of no more than 15% of a flock.


Hock burn statistics from various supermarkets:

The BBC requested animal welfare data from 10 leading UK food sellers: Tesco, Sainsbury's, Asda, Morrisons, Aldi, Co-op, Lidl, Waitrose, Iceland and Ocado.

Five of the companies - Asda, Morrisons, Lidl, Iceland and Ocado - failed to provide specific figures.

  • Co-op, which is supplied with an estimated 30 million chickens a year, recorded hock burn in 36.7% of its poultry.
  • Aldi's most recent annual figures revealed it had found hock burn in 33.5% of its chickens.
  • Company animal welfare reports reveal Tesco recorded a 26.3% rate in its chickens in 2022/23.
  • Sainsbury's found hock burn in one in five (25%) of its chickens.
  • Waitrose had the lowest recorded annual figure of 2.7%.
  • Lidl was one of the stores that did not provide data to the BBC. Volunteers found 74% of the chickens they checked had hock burn.
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Chickens aren't any more prone to salmonella than any other poultry, eg ducks. The reason chicken get salmonella and the reason you're expected to cook it thoroughly to kill off the bacteria is purely down to how chickens are reared and the appalling conditions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Go ahead, eat that ham sandwich. You earned it. We evolved to eat meat after all, tight. Besides, one ham sandwich is not gonna save those animals. Eat it and forget about it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

You can stop buying cheap meat today.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Of course you can if you want to, there are many other things you can eat and you could also still eat meat occasionally but choose higher quality.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Stop blaming individuals for corporations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It's simply not possible to even just somewhat ethically produce as much meat as we consume. As long as most people meant cheap meat daily, shit like this will happen. The individual is to blame here as much as corporations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I don´t. Corporations are responsible for what they do in production, just as consumers are responsible for what they choose to buy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Similar to the 100 corporations making 70% of the carbon emissions. It's like, yeah, the factories sure put out a lot of emissions.....making shit that consumers are brainlessly buying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If you're an American wondering why the hell anyone would ever buy chicken with visible brown ulcers, don't worry. You might mistakenly assume that US chicken farmers treat their chickens better than UK farmers, because you would never see hock burn in a US supermarket. That doesn't mean our chickens don't get hock burn.

American consumers would never buy something so aesthetically unappealing, so those parts of the chicken are cut away and used for nuggets and the remaining meat is packaged as skinless cuts. Our chickens suffer just as much as their cousins across the pond.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you had a small PETA logo somewhere on this post, it would receive an entirely different kind of response.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

PETA rubs a lot of people the wrong way because they take extreme positions to garner attention. It's hard to take anything they say seriously because of their previous stunts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They are meant to make you feel uncomfortable because you are doing the wrong thing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They don't make me feel uncomfortable. They make me feel embarrassed to agree with stupid people when they have a point. They make me frustrated to acknowledge the valid criticisms coming from horrible people of their myopic and childish stunts. They make me sad because they have adopted a losing strategy and their message is garbled by ths sound of them sitting on their own balls.

It's like watching someone stand up to the school bully by climbing on a lunch table and announcing to the school that they have something important to say, and then they take down their pants, stand on their heads, and pee into their own mouths.

Like yeah, we shouldn't let the bully push people around. But also, what the fuck? How does that help?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Sounds like it's a you thing frankly. Is there something you want to tell us about the school dining room?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Oh that? That's just where the bird had painful rashes and lesions from being made to lie, stand, eat, sleep, breed, breathe, and die knee deep in shit. In shit. It's fine to eat.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just another benefit of the UK being finally free of all those oppressive EU regulations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is not a new issue following Brexit. This has been an issue for a long time and was an issue whilst we were still part of the EU judging by this 2005 article.


I had a look into this to see if there is a difference between the welfare standards of broiler chickens between the UK and the EU. Take my findings here with a grain of salt since I'm no expert at skimming through legal documents, but it seems that the welfare standards for broiler chickens are broadly the same between the UK and the EU at the moment.

Both the UK and the EU advise to not have a stocking density over 33kg/m², and both have additional welfare requirements/checks if stocking density exceeds this. Both have similar recommendations for the amount of ammonia, CO2, temperature and humidity levels which is acceptable. In both the UK and the EU the concentration of ammonia should not exceed 20 parts per million.

Sources:

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

"Red Tractor" Chocolate fireguard

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Kate Parkes, poultry specialist at the RSPCA, told the BBC that hock burn was "a concerning health issue and, sadly, too common in many intensive farm settings".

She added that the risk of hock burn "is significantly higher when birds are poorly managed, genetically selected to grow very fast or reared in overcrowded conditions".

The British Poultry Council, which represents suppliers, processors and farmers, added that "drawing comparison between formal inspection and rigorous procedure versus a shop-shelf experiment has potential to mislead and misinform".

It added that where hock-marking does occur "it is used as an indicator to identify areas for improvement because ours is an industry that operates to science-based standards, prioritises investment in research and development, and keeps pace with innovation".

The BBC requested animal welfare data from 10 leading UK food sellers: Tesco, Sainsbury's, Asda, Morrisons, Aldi, Co-op, Lidl, Waitrose, Iceland and Ocado.

Andrew Opie, director of food and sustainability at the British Retail Consortium, said: "Our members take their responsibilities to animal welfare very seriously, and expect high standards, independently audited, from all of their suppliers.


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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This summary is utter garbage. Doesn't even remotely capture the salient points of the article.

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