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Since Xorg is getting old, looking at trying Wayland WMs (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

im waiting on my distro probably or i could be doing just fine on experimental Wayland

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (32 children)

While hyprland is really nice, it is made by a transphobe and a large part of the community is also. Switch to something else there are a lot of good alternatives. Kind of a protest against him.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I was building a kiosk for my home assistant with my Raspberry Pi. It was very complicated to set up a cage compositor, set up XWayland, setup Chromium Wayland flags, libinput rules, and the touchscreen mapping still doesn’t work… am I missing something here? For X11 everything just works right out of the box…

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sounds like you're missing a DE

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Love it, all it's missing is a built-in monocle layout 🙏🙏

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Ok, but I need manual control over how the tiles get arranged and shaped.

And I need to be able to stack windows.

Hyprland is pretty and declarative and has so many cool extensions that work really well and help to tie the experience together, but sway is more functional.

If hyprland offered the same ability to manually control the tile tree that sway offers, I'd use it.

For now I'm shoehorning the hyprland extensions like hyprwall and hyprlock onto sway.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I just wish the lead person wasn't you know... Only reason I'm on KDE.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Why not Sway?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

I absolutely love sway. It's everything I need, and nothing I don't. Just works for me

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm ootl, whats wrong with the lead person?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago

Adamant transphobe, but in that insidious way where they justify letting people get bullied in the Discord because their "not on anyone's side and value different opinions". A trans person in the Discord server was targeted by another member and intentionally misgendered repeatedly. They spent multiple blogs basically saying "people are snowflakes, we dont want an echo chamber". Like wtf. (IIRC, working off my memory since I read about it like 2 months ago)

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

cryptofash that hides behind free speech and allows nazis and that to post in the discord and banned a trans person that called out the messages by those users for "inciting arguments" and repeatedly misgendered them then went on about how they're not bigoted they just believe in free speech and blamed the user and pretending they were the victim and then when people said they should have a code of conduct he said doing that was just a hassle and how it would make it impossible to do lead dev stuff for him to enforce the rules while saying they have rules against that sort of thing anyway so blatant doublespeak where he's saying he's moderating and everyone's lying but also if he had to moderate he'd be too busy to develop

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (4 children)

All sounds awful but I'm mostly confused as to why a software project needs a discord

[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

because as much as old people hate to acknowledge it mailing lists and github (and alternatives) suck they're terrible for actual conversations to try and coax more info out of the user when they ask for support people aren't logged into those 24/7 a lot of people are with discord and everyone's familiar with it and already has an account and knows the UI how many people actually have a github account and know how to use it and will actually ever log back in to give more information if asked vs putting a discord button somewhere someone pops in reports the issue then if there's not enough info you can @ them and they'll come back as soon as they see it

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Horrible place to support software. No history, your question is answered by whoever happens to be there, you cant see the information with out joining... just terrible.

With other methods at least there is asynchronous support, history is kept, and no login is needed.

Not to mention the horrible interface and design choices and the reliance on third party tools that could disappear or change service at anytime.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

anyone that says there's no history just refuses to learn to use discord discord has a very powerful and easy to use search feature I can find exact conversations from years ago in literally seconds the interface thing is subjective but whether it's bad or not people know how to use it atleast and the third party could disappear whenever applies to github most forums too this is what I mean by refuse to acknowledge I've had fat better experiences with support on discord than any alternative

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am not the only one who finds the searches inconsistent. It also depends on how each person sets up their channel. More importantly it doesn't end up in a search engine. You have to know what discord server to start with.

IRC with history, your own forums, your own chat, your own wiki: they do not disappear.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yeah most people aren't gonna host it themselves accept that reality so you're just shifting the burden to an even smaller company too they do disappear it happens and to say otherwise is either moronic or willfully disingenuous and noone under the age of 50 knows how to use irc as for the search engine yeah that's one downside but that's ignoring the fact most times you search a problem on a search engine you get a support forum with an auto closed issue cause noone responds to it the same with it closed with a response that was just read the documentation or it closed by the user saying "fixed it" and that's it and knowing what server to start with isn't the issue you pretend it is you just put a discord button in the app or the settings page if it's something bigger than an app

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

most people aren’t gonna host it themselves

Why not? Barely costs anything. Or even free if you want to rely github, and if that goes away you can move it elsewhere, you own it. I still host multiple web sites and work with several projects that leverage tools to self host. A domain is not that expensive.

No one under 50 knows how to use irc? We still use it for some of the support cases for a few software projects and I can assure you the majority of users are under 30. But I get your point, for the average, barely computer literate person, they probably haven't even heard of it.

you just put a discord button in the app or the settings page if it’s something bigger than an app:

To find out if someone will bother answering a question, to sign up, to ask the same thing over and over again. Horrible way to run support.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

got it so you're being disingenuous on the third party hosting thing most people who are computer literate don't know how to use irc it's a near dead technology and that's the thing with discord you don't have to hope someone will bother to sign up they're already signed up most people are whether you like it or not and as for the releaf questions again the search feature on discord is really good you just can't be bothered to adapt to the new reality I don't like discord either I wish we could nuke all corporations off the internet entirely I wish that people would switch to matrix entirely but you've also gotta be realistic dude

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How am I being disingenuous? I DO host web pages. We do host pages for support. I am not sure what you are getting at.

Yes, IRC isn't used that frequently, and it is sad. It just works.

I am not the only one who doesn't like Discords search, and it really does vary depending on the instance.

And I am realistic. Again, we already do this. No discord needed.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you're being disingenuous with the why not it's easy it's cheap you know full well most people won't self host but you're refusing to acknowledge that because it's inconvenient for your hatred of discord that pretends there's issues that just aren't there search doesn't vary depending on server it's the exact same search feature you just don't know how to use it or care to learn

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most people are not making software and trying to create support structures either. So I am not sure what you are getting at here. If someone can create a development project of any decent size, setting up a web page for cheap or free is trivial. So I have no idea what you are getting at.

It has nothing to do with if I like discord or not, it is simply is it appropriate or not. I have explained why it is not an ideal support place. Certainly not a tier one. Nothing I said was pretending anything.

And yes it depends on the server. You do realize that admins use various bots and have different settings per discord instance right? There are many discussions with the discord devs about their various approaches and problems with searches.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago

most people who make software probably also don't want to create support structures they just wanna pick something that already exists and go good enough

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

I fucking hate Discord with a passion because of all the information basically being held behind a proprietary piece of software, so I downloaded Legcord to at least be able to join those communities without sacrificing my own privacy.

Highly recommend it! I have a Fallout terminal theme, and actually enjoy using it for once knowing that the actual app is not installed on my computer. :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Collaboration among their own developers, maybe. And support for users. Both of those could be done other ways, but Discord has a lot of pull as a free place to build and manage a community.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm on sway for the same reason.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

What do you folks on hyprland/sway use for your shell / toolbars / launcher? I tried nwg and it was... OK but pretty clunky. No shade for the developers of the project, all the settings pages and system config stuff is a TON to put together...

I don't need something as full-featured as KDE or Gnome Settings. I'd prefer a well-polished minimalist launcher and task manager / toolbar over something that does everything

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Just grab some prebuilt .config files. I just switched from maintaining my own “custom” set to the endeavorOS community repo for sway, and it’s seriously amazing. Not too much, but has everything I need working right out the box.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I'm using fuzzel as my launcher. No complaints so far

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I just didn't jive with sway for some reason. Also not letting me tell it that I understand it doesn't support Nvidia just once got annoying really quickly lmao.

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