Sauron checks under the couch cushions and BOOM, more profit!
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FWIW, Palpatine also came back in the original storyline past ROTJ before Disney retconned the EU. Though they didn't gloss over the "how" bit (he always intended to survive forever and had a clone factory hidden on some planet and used something similar to the force ghost, only he was able to posses his clones).
In the original story, he threatens Luke and his friends while Luke is alone, so Luke goes, "ok I'll join the dark side", gets some training, then switches back the first time he gets ordered to do something he didn't like.
The basic message was "turning to the dark side was only so final for some Jedi because the order itself considered it something that couldn't he undone, while Luke did it easily". Some of the video games touched on this, too, where the light side and dark side were just tools and it was how you used them that determined good and evil. It was also a big theme in ROTJ itself, though not heavily explored after Vader turns back.
There's hints of this in the sequels, but IMO they didn't handle it that well, especially with Luke and Kylo.
I feel like when people make fun of this, it isn't so much Palpy coming back that they have a problem with, but the sudden and unexpected nature of it. It's such hack writing, and it only happened that way because audiences didn't like TLJ and the people making ROS decided to backtrack on every single one of TLJ's plot threads out of fear instead of making expanding on them for a satisfying finale.
Yeah, it's less about "returned" and more about "somehow".
Yeah, watching those three makes it seem pretty clear that they where made by different people who didn't like what the previous one had done and had an entirely different vision of where star wars should go. Plus a dose of "we want to bring back old characters for fan service, but those characters need to gtfo of the way of these new stars". And then for the two of the biggest ones, they had them die in the dumbest ways.
Through means never fully explained (unless you buy the comics and video games), the ring getting destroyed was all part of Sauron's master plan. The villain for the first two sequels is Samwise's son Bobbit, who Sam tried to kill when he learned he was dabbling in dark arts. He's redeemed by our hero, an orc that broke rank with Sauron after learning about his plan to, IDK, blow up the whole world or something, but he's killed anyway to make room for our third movie reveal that Sauron was behind it all. Our brave orc hero must meet up with a haggard looking Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas to painstakingly re-enact the events of the Fellowship of the Ring, wander around with Gandalf and learn how to become a wizard, then kill Sauron and take the last name Baggins.
This is painfully accurate and I hate it.
Aragorn: "Somehow, Sauron has returned"
Elrond: "We'll need a good plan to defeat him."
Legolas: "And a new fellowship"
Gimli appearing from off camera: "and...my axe" looks directly at the camera while holding for applause
Disney doesn't make movies. They make cringe fan fiction.
Imagine all the Hobbits solo spin off shows that i you cant pay me to watch.
I would absolutely pay money for a slice of life hobbit spin off. No grand quest to save the world, just a few hobbit friends getting into trouble around the Shire and stealing veggies from some farmer's garden before getting drunk at the inn. It's exactly the feel good type of show I like.
I would also be interested in the high stakes political drama of trying to win the gardening competition every year.
Long ago I read some incredibly cursed parody along the lines of "if LotR was a Disney animated film". The songs were absolutely horrifying. I can't find it right now, and I think it's best not to subject you to it anyway.
Please do subject us, if you find it.
The ring was destroyed. But little did we know: it's true purpose was to aid in the construction of a Death Star, which is now almost complete...
Well, Arda is Melkor's ring. He's going to re-shape it into a death star and blow up Illuvatar.
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