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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This happens in the world of CNC machines too. I used to run a two million dollar Mazak 300 Fabrigear that was made in 2008. When I started the machine up, Windows 98 booted up before starting the FANUC control program that actually ran the machine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My friend's dad has a CNC machine that requires floppy disks to load the design patterns. He's worried that a mechanical failure of the disk drive will eventually be the end of it, rather than the machine itself being obsolete. It's been going strong for almost 40 years now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Look for usb floppy emulators, you can have the floppy images in a usb flash drive. No moving parts or need to find expensive floppies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This post is so true. I work in local government in a state that has TONS of money, yet our systems to control the information for agents to determine if you keep your kids or not is still based on MS-DOS. it's insane to see in 2023

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Originally copyright was like 15 years and if the thing was really good for you then you could Apply for a second 15 year term.

30 years is a long time to get a monopoly over something. As a human being, 30 years is a significant part of your entire lifetime. From birth to 30 years you have your entire childhood, many people go to and finish college, get married, have kids, achieve a degree of professional success. Another 30 years from that moment, many people are at the end of their lives. They're retiring, some who smoked or did other things are dying of old people diseases.

I believe strongly enough that 15 years is a reasonable copyright term that my book, the graysonian ethic, which I published in 2021, has a note on the legal page releasing it to the public domain 15 years from the first date of publishing, and in jurisdictions where you can't do that, it's licensed under the creative Commons zero license

If I want to own the rights to another book, I can write another book. If I can't make back the money that I spent writing and publishing it in 15 years, then that's a me problem, not a society problem the police can help enforce.

The famous song Happy Birthday left copyright only a couple years ago, and not because it timed out. The song which was written in the era of my great grandparents only lost protection from the largest state in history because after a hundred years no one could keep track of who owned it anymore.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, the only silver lining of Ron DeSantis's feud with Disney over anti-gay legislation is that the Republicans might end up undoing all the copyright extensions Disney lobbied for over the past few decades.

Disney is largely to blame for America's copyright laws being so fucked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly, the less special treatment any one corporation gets, or the less special treatment corporations as a whole get, that's a win for everyone else in society.

Most people on both sides of the aisle if you stepped away from the specific political situation would agree that companies should not be allowed to form their own municipal governments, either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

From birth to 30 years you have your entire childhood, many people go to and finish college, get married, have kids, achieve a degree of professional success. Another 30 years from that moment, many people are at the end of their lives

Oh, don't hurt me like that, please...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I work in an astrophysics department and this is exactly why we almost exclusively use open source software

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda related, in the company I used to work everything was done in SAS, an statistical analysis software (SAS duh) that fucking sucks. It's used to be great, but once your on their environment you are trapped for fucking forever. I hated it and refuse to learned it over what was basic for my daily tasks. A couple of months I moved to another company that used to pay a consulting firm for my job, so my boss and me had to start everything fresh and the first thing we did was to study what are going to use as statistics software and I fight tooth and nails for Python and one of the points I pushed was that if in the future we decide to move out of Python we could easily can do it, while other solutions could locked up us with them.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

If you rely on free packages in Python for processing, those are as likely to become obsolete as anything else (if not more likely). I also really dislike the compatibility issues with different versions of different packages, the whole environment aspect. Buying new computer with different version of windows? Who knows what will work there.

In this sense for scientific computation I prefer something like MATLAB. Code written 40 years ago, most likely would still work. New computer? No problem, no configuration, just install Matlab, and it runs! Yes, it costs money, but you get what you paid for. Mathematica is another option, but I mean ugh!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Critical government services running COBOL. Programs stored in magnetic tapes, entire offices dependant on one guy who's retiring. All that code will be lost in time, like tears in rain

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is genuine money to be made in learning the "dead languages" of the IT world. If you're the only person within 500 Miles that knows how to maintain COBOL you can basically name your price when it comes to salary.

I just wish I had the slightest interest in programing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've seriously looked into picking one of these dead languages up and honestly, it's not worth it.

Biggest issue is, you have to be experienced to some degree before you get the name your price levels. So you'll have to take regular ol average programmer pay (at best) for a language that's a nightmare in 2023. Your sanity is at heavy risk.

I'd honestly rather bash my head with assembly, it's still very much in use these days in a modern way. Most programs still get compiled into it anyway (Albeit to a far more complicated instruction set than in the past) and can still land some well paid positions for not a whole lot of experience (relatively)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Been working in COBOL for a decade and this is all true.

I'm lucky. I personally enjoy it. But i can totally see how it's an absolute nightmare for most people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah everytime someone says "just learn COBOL, you'll make tons of money," it's like,

Bro.

There's a reason no one wants to write new software in these languages anymore, let alone maintain a forty-year-old pile of technical debt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've been meaning to learn Fortran in part because because of the whole "big bucks for being willing to maintain old software" thing, but mostly because I'd like to work on the sorts of scientific computing software that was (and still often is) written in Fortran.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Highly agree with the first point, companies should not be able to hold exclusive rights to any product they no longer provide support for.

Abandonware and unsold products are one of the few cases in which I consider piracy ethical

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Publishers and film makers too. Keep it in print or lose rights (though I'd rather have much shorter copyright periods). Changed products get their own copyright, but the old version falls out if you stop selling it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a good read, read it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

+1, do not regret