Yeah fake. No way you can get 90%+ using chatGPT without understanding code. LLMs barf out so much nonsense when it comes to code. You have to correct it frequently to make it spit out working code.
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Are you guys just generating insanely difficult code? I feel like 90% of all my code generation with o1 works first time? And if it doesn't, I just let GPT know and it fixes it right then and there?
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deepseek rnows solid, autoapprove works sometimes lol
i guess the new new gpt actually makes code that works on the first time
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isn't it kinda dumb to have coding exams that aren't open book? if you don't understand the material, on a well-designed test you'll run out of time even with access to the entire internet
when in the hell would you ever be coding IRL without access to language documentation and the internet? isn't the point of a class to prepare you for actual coding you'll be doing in the future?
disclaimer did not major in CS. but did have a lot of open book tests—failed when I should have failed because I didn't study enough, and passed when I should have passed because the familiarity with the material is what allows you to find your references fast enough to complete the test
Most of my CS exams in more advanced classes were take home. Well before the internet though. They were some of the best finals I ever took.
Assignments involved actual coding but exams were generally pen and paper when I got my degree. If a question involved coding, they were just looking for a general understanding and didn't nitpick syntax. The "language" used was more of a c++-like pseudocode than any real specific language.
ChatGPT could probably do well on such exams because making up functions is fair game, as long as it doesn't trivialize the question and demonstrates an overall understanding.
I know people that used to work in programming with zero internet connection... this was ~10 years ago... never underestimate the idiocy of companies. P.s. it wasnt even a high security job, the owners were just paranoid boomers.
With that said, with a decent IDE with autocomplete, you can get by a lot without documentation. Its ussually the niche stuff that you need to look up on how to do it.
You'd have a wall full of documentation before internet was a common source of data.
I mean, I don't know how to code but I imagine it's the same as with other subjects. like not being able to use a calculator during some math tests. The point of the examination is for you to demonstrate you know and understand the concepts. It's not for you to be tested in the same way you would be in the real world.
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This person is LARPing as a CS major on 4chan
It's not possible to write functional code without understanding it, even with ChatGPT's help.
where’s my typo
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Giving me flashbacks to a college instructor that marked my entire functioning code block, written on paper, as wrong because I did not clearly make a ; on one line of about 100 lines. I argued that a compiler would mark that in the real world, but he countered with "It still won't run without that ; " That made me rethink my career path in CS. Fuck that guy.
That was/is one of my biggest complaints about CS courses: the horrendous, uncontrolled, inconsistent-across-course/instructor/TA mixture of concept and implementation skills expected of the students.
Ultimately you need to develop both to be successful in a CS/Software Dev/Programming career, but I've watched so fucking many people fail to progress in courses and learning because they're trying to learn both the concept and how it needs to be formatted in the class specific language's syntax at the same time. They hit a roadblock in one and the whole thing comes tumbling down because if your code doesn't work you can't just work around it to get the other parts done and then come back later. Being able to stub something out to do that requires skills that they're taking the class to learn in the first place!
Minor mistakes with syntax creates a situation where they can't get a working example of the concept to play around with. So then they don't have something hands on to use to cement their conceptual understanding.
Minor mistakes with the conceptual understanding lead to a complete inability to understand why the syntax works (if it even does) to create an example of the concept, leaving them high and dry when the class asks them to think outside the box and make something new or modified based off what came before.
I've worked as a Lab Assistant (TA who doesn't grade) for intro to programming courses. Due to transfer credit shaningans, combined with a "soon to retire" professor getting saddled with the bueracratic duties for their whole department, I ended up running lectures for an intermediate course I effectively had to take twice. I regularly led study sessions in college for my friends in programming classes. Even now, I'm the most experienced programmer on my team of sysadmins/engineers at work and regularly assist co-workers with scripts when I'm not coding custom automations and system integrations.
So I have experience teaching and using this shit.
In my opinion, courses should be split into two repeatedly alternating parts: concept and implementation/syntax. They are separate skill sets.
You need a certain set of skills to be able to communicate. You need a different set of skills to do so in a specific language.
Plus, classwork needs to better mimic real world situations. Even crazy motherfuckers using sed or nano to code should be using linters in this day and age, and no one should be working in an environment where they only have one chance to get it 100% right with no means of testing.
You would think eventually some of it would sink in. I mean I use LLMs to write code all the time but it’s very rarely 100% correct, often with syntax errors or logic problems. Having to fix that stuff is an excellent way to at least learn the syntax.
U underestimate the power of the darkside, how powerful ctrl+c ctrl+v is young padawan
If you copy and paste from ChatGPT your code won't compile.
You need to know what the peices of code do and how to peice them together to make it work.
Which is kind of impossible to do without understanding it
Unless they're being physically watched or had their phone sequestered away, they could just pull it up on a phone browser and type it out into the computer. But if they want to be a programmer they really should learn how to code.
I work in a dept. at a university that does all the proctored exams. None of that technology is allowed in the exam rooms. They have to put their watch, phone, headphones, etc in a locker beforehand. And not only are they being watched individually, the computer is locked down to not allow other applications to open and there are outgoing firewalls in place to block most everything network wise. I’m not saying it’s impossible to cheat, but it’s really really hard.
Some instructors still do in class exams, which would make it easier, but most opted for the proctored type exams especially during Covid.