"In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none." ~ Stokely Carmichael
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Peaceful protests don’t work I’m so sick of this ahistorical scam propaganda being shoved down people’s throats.
Violence works. all our hard fought for labor rights were won with violence. Our elites are above the law and the only way to touch the untouchables is through violence. See Luigi.
Note to the mods (which ironically autocorrected as kids…) this isn’t advocating violence, this is correcting historical misinformation and propaganda.
US citizens need to be very careful about their next steps.
If you do this wrong you will hand Trump all the reasons / excuses he needs to enact martial law (and have support for that) and then say bye bye to term limit. You need to think about the next 20 years, about a Trump dynasty etc.
Peaceful protests only work if they carry the threat of turning violent. They need massive amounts of people desparate for change, and pressure from non-peaceful groups serving to risk turning the whole movement into a revolution.
Peaceful protests allow a government to change their ways. But they also legitimize violent resistance if the government does not.
The Black Panthers were able to grow because of MLK's peaceful protests. While MLK achieved nothing on his own, Malcom X was able to transform the activist movement into a revolution.
Highly recommended video explaining the past and accurately predicting the future we are currently in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69pEzsfX8Aw
I don't believe it is actually helpful to proselytize nonviolence. I appreciate your position and your contribution, and your experiences have value independent of the validity of your assertions about nonviolence writ large.
I've left links to full books at the bottom of this comment. Here is a quote from the introduction to the first:
Nonviolence has lost the debate. Over the last 20 years, more and more social movements and rebellions against oppression and exploitation have broken out across the world, and within these movements people have learned all over again that nonviolence does not work. They are learning that the histories of purported nonviolent victories have been falsified, that specific actions or methods that could be described as nonviolent work best when they are complemented by other actions or methods that are illegal and combative. They are learning that exclusive, dogmatic nonviolence does not stand a chance at achieving a revolutionary change in society, at getting to the roots of oppression and exploitation and bringing down those who are in power.
At best, nonviolence can oblige power to change its masks, to put a new political party on the throne and possibly expand the social sectors that are represented in the elite, without changing the fundamental fact that there is an elite that rules and benefits from the exploitation of everybody else. And if we look at all the major rebellions of the last two decades, since the end of the Cold War, it seems that nonviolence can only effect this cosmetic change if it has the support of a broad part of the elite—usually the media, the wealthy, and at least a part of the military, because nonviolent resistance has never been able to resist the full force of the State.
EXACTLY. ALL OF THIS.
Protest peacefully, but keep a rifle in reserve should you meet violence.