In my experience this happens either because TOS breach or security reasons related to TOS.
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Once had Optimum (the ISP) do this to a business I was working with. Just yeeted all their email accounts and their contents and all backups thereof one day. Declared it was because no user on the account was accessing their email via the webmail system so all the email was nuked for inactivity. IMAP and POP do not count, apparently.
Short version, do not use Optimum unless they are the only option, and if they are the only option seriously consider moving to fix that.
Waiting for all cloud services to go poof
Google, meta, apple, they all will do the same. I had it with vercel and ebay. This is corporations abusing their power, no accountability.
If one copy of all of your data is deleted, you should be able to recover it.
- Maintain three copies of your data: This includes the original data and at least two copies.
- Use two different types of media for storage: Store your data on two distinct forms of media to enhance redundancy.
- Keep at least one copy off-site: To ensure data safety, have one backup copy stored in an off-site location, separate from your primary data and on-site backups.
https://www.veeam.com/blog/321-backup-rule.html
Someone that was following best practices would have regularly made a copy of their data and stored it somewhere that doesn't depend on anything Oracle does, since I'd consider depending on Oracle to store all of your data to be storing all your data at one site.
This guy Backups
On the one hand, sure, oracle rep could have handled it better
But on the other hand...
The TOS do say you are only eligible to sign up once
Now, on the not telling you the reason why the shutoff happened, it's totally logical. No company will let you know what was the TOS violation to help you or others to avoid future detection and commit fraud. Anyone on IT knows this.
Not saying the guy did it, but apparently Oracle believes they did. It's the same as Google. One simple fuck up on an add in adwords and your account is screwed for life. Could be for the most innocuous of things, like a flag raised by usage patterns, or going to the extremes, a possible compromised instance got nuked preemptively
In any case always remember that the resources occupied in a free instance may and will be freed up when needed without warning.
And if stuff is THAT IMPORTANT, always go on prem , with at least two different providers for cloud services and backup
Also, read the terms of service. It's not that hard
TikTok being forced to host on Oracle instead of Google/Microsoft all but confirms that Oracle is CIA Cloud.
a good reminder to back up your shit regardless of what service you're using.
Historically, the only thing Oracle ever made which was good was their database, and even that is only worth it beyond a certain size of dataset and number of simultaneous requests being served.
Nice try, larry. While their database is completely decent, you cannot use it beyond certain size/performance requirements because that would require buying yet another yacht for the fucker.
They didn't make Mysql if that's what you're referring to and Oracle DB was nothing revolutionary.
I think your most demanding use of databases was in tiny environments with tiny datasets and relaxed performance metrics compared to my own experience in designing systems that include databases.
MySQL and Oracle DB are totally different beasts for totally different needs, even if they're both relational databases.
Further, the Oracle DB predates MySQL.
MySQL was created exactly because at the time there were either these massive Enterprise Class behemoth expensive databases such as Oracle DB and IBM's Db2 or stuff like Access and hacked Excel sheets being used as "databases", so there really wasn't a proper database for things like inventory systems for small and mid-sized companies - they either used Access which was a joke (didn't even had Transactions, so prone to get corrupted) or they paid a lot for licenses for the big databases which also required expensive machines to run them on.
One could say that MySQL made a lot of the modern Internet possible because it was Open Source and ran on Linux so you could for free make a dynamic website (say, a small online store) on top of a stack with it at the bottom (and Apache at the top and some custom middle layer in something things like PHP - remember that these were the 90s and Python only became popular later) on a pretty basic Linux server somewhere and that was enough until you got really big. You could do it with Oracle DB at the bottom also, but it was expensive and not really worth it unless you were serving tens or hundred of thousands or requests per minute.
That said, I agree that Oracle DB wasn't revolutionary, it just worked well with all kinds of loads, even extreme ones, as long as you knew what you were doing.
The point I was making was that the Oracle DB was the only decent product Oracle ever created, not that it was revolutionary.
I think you replied to my comment combined with someone else's. All I said was OracleDB was nothing special and they didn't create Mysql which was revolutionary for many reasons including some of the stuff you mentioned. So I think we're in complete agreement, but
DB sizes from 1980s are laughable by modern standards and by the time storage got cheap enough to have TBs in DBs OracleDB was not significantly better at handling those datasets than MySQL.
A couple other entertaining Access facts: 1) Access databases did at least have an audit table - which was manually editable; 2) Access databases were used by the Diebold electronic voting machines that were in use in numerous states during the 2000 presidential election cycle. It's possible that 1 and 2 are unrelated.
On a more amusing note, I remember making fun of Access on StackOverflow around 2008 or so and running afoul of a dude who was still making a living doing Access work. I've never been more fearful that a person online was going to track me down IRL and attempt to kill me.
Nice to know that they go above and beyond to uphold GDPR
We don't move your data across borders... Because we don't have it any more!
Oracle cares so much about your privacy they delete your data before you even send a request.
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