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Article: https://proton.me/blog/deepseek

Calls it "Deepsneak", failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers - unlike most of the competing SOTA AIs.

I can't speak for Proton, but the last couple weeks are showing some very clear biases coming out.

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[–] [email protected] 144 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I hate AI but on the other hand I love how Deepseek is causing AI companies to lose billions.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago

Glad I steered clear of Proton, change my mind. No wait, don't.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 days ago (13 children)

Unsurprising that a right-wing Trump supporting company is now attacking a tech that poses an existential threat to the fascist-leaning tech companies that are all in on AI.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 days ago

Proton working overtime to discourage me from renewing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Anyone promoting LLMs without a big side of skepticism is exposing their bias.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 days ago (3 children)

DeepSeek is open source, but is it safe?

These guys are in the open source business themselves, they should know the answer to this question.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

If I obfuscate my code such that it's very difficult to understand then in practice it's like proprietary software, even with an open source license.

Correct me if I'm wrong but looking at the code isn't enough to understand what a neural network will do (if these "AI" are using that, maybe they're not).

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

Deepseek's R1 was built entirely on a multi-stage reinforcement learning process, and they pretty much open sourced that entire pipeline. By contrast, OpenAI has been giving us nothing but "look what we did" since GPT-3, and we're supposed to trust them.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Has anyone actually analyzed the source code thoroughly yet? I've seen a ton of reporting on its open source nature but nothing about the detailed nature of the source.

FOSS only = safe if the code has been audited in depth.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 days ago (9 children)

I haven't looked into Deepseek specifically so I could be mistaken, but a lot of times when a model is called "open-source" it really is just open weights. You can download it or train other models off of it, but you can't actually view any kind of source code on how the model works.

An audit isn't really possible.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

It would be fair if ChatGPT or any american service received the same treatment, but the only article I found from 2023 seems quite neutral :/

https://proton.me/blog/privacy-and-chatgpt

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

We actually it seems quite fair-ish 🤷

AI has the potential to be a truly revolutionary development, one that could drive advancement for centuries. But it must be done correctly. These companies stand to make billions of dollars in revenue, and yet they violated our privacy and are training their tools using our data without our permission. Recent history shows we must act now if we’re to avoid an even worse version of surveillance capitalism.

Also from 2023 : https://proton.me/blog/ai-gdpr

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