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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

This is a dumb meme because the whole argument is that if Iran gets nukes then we won't be able to attack them.

However I do think it's funny how many of the justifications for the unprovoked attacks on Iran sound exactly like Russian justifications if you just switch a couple names around:

  • Iran having nukes is a threat to the US security/Ukraine joining NATO (which would allow them to station nukes there) is a threat to Russian security

  • Iran's government is full of radical Islamists/Ukraine's government is full of Banderite Nazis

  • Iran is firing ordinance off at civilian targets in Israel, as part of their aim to exterminate Jews/Ukraine is firing ordinance off at civilian targets in Donbass, as part of their aim to exterminate Russians.

It's very silly how all these arguments are accepted as "obvious" and reasonable when it's our side, but flip the picture and it suddenly it becomes just as "obvious" that those lines of reasoning are not valid. At no point is either Iran or Russia's perspective seriously considered because they're the bad guys and we're the good guys, whether and to what extent those reasons are valid simply flips depending on who's using them.

Propaganda is a hell of a drug.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

BS comparison.
Everything you mention is wrong

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I present to you Bloomcole, Lemmy's stupidest user. Give them a hand!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (21 children)

Yeah that's about the level of argument I've come to expect from y'all: "Nuh uh."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

All this thread tells me is how little memory people have. Late into Obama's office, he brokered a deal that would have reduced Iran's ability to create wmds in exchange for lifting sanctions while giving the rest of the world the ability to monitor them to make sure they actually stop trying to make a wmd. Trump infamously cancelled this deal early into his first run and now people are acting like he's doing a good job by wanting to attack Iran- Trump created this problem in the first place!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Warmongering and unconditional support is bipartisan.
Biden never did anything to fix it, they're invariably 'sabotaged by the other side and powerless', same as with every other issue.
Like when Trump unilaterally ended the missile treaties.
If anything Biden escalated tension with Iran with some aggresive actions.
And anyway Iran never was planning to get nukes.
They are an advanced country and have nuclear energy which is their right.
The scaremongering lies by the genocide state and their big bully friend do not change that.
If anything, I hope they change their mind and start working on a nuke since they invariably get provoked and attacked for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Trump created this problem in the first place!

I think it's good to be absolutely crystal clear on what the problem is. Iran is not building nuclear weapons. They say this themselves, and the entire American intelligence community, as well as the UN's IAEA agree that they haven't since 2003. The amount of evidence that Iran is building WMDs is exactly the same as it was for Iraq in the early 2000s (i.e., non-existent). So that's not the problem.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The claim is (as always), Iran is on the verge of having nuclear weapons.

The whole idea is that if Iran did get nuclear weapons, it would be too risky to attack them, and that they could use their immunity from being attacked to make the world a much worse place.

I don't know if we should believe the assessments of their capabilities. Israel has been saying they're days, weeks or months away from having a nuclear weapon for going on 30 years now. But, AFAIK, nobody has actually said that they currently do have WMD.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How have they been unable to make a nuclear weapon in that time, are they stupid?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're not trying.
They are definitely not stupid and their population is far better educated than the US for instance.
Who can't even produce a hypersonic missile with all the billions they piss away on 'defense' LOL
Iran does have them, Russia has 4th gen, even China and India.
Who's stupid?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Does Iran have hypersonic missiles? I thought they were using ballistic missiles which is something else.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

According to the UN's IAEA, as well as the American intelligence community, they haven't tried building nukes since 2003.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Well, if they had been trying, they probably would have done it. So, the fact they haven't done it suggests...

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