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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I want to beat the shit out of everyone who thinks artist is a 'non-essential' job. And then make a drawing decipting it.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Always remember, music is also art. Now imagine a world where theres no music. You can't listen to anything while driving, riding the bus, going shopping etc.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

You can listen to things while driving, but it is either NPR, talk radio, or church sermons.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not that I disagree with the principle, but on the mentioned occastions, I will ~99% of the time listen to podcasts or audio books instead of music.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You might be shocked to learn that books is art, too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean everything could be considered art if you look at it from the right angle :o

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Sure, but novels, paintings, and songs are traditional arts, they are art first and foremost.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you think artists are non-essential, try teaching a technophobic boomer to renew their driver license through a terminal command.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A good UI has nothing to do with art. In fact, art leads to terrible UI.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

UX designers are artists. UX design is art.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Sometimes terrible art, but still art.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is too philosophical to be practical imo.

If the argument is that everything that requires creativity (read: requires independent thoughts and conclusions) is art, then the definition starts to become useless.

UX design is creative, but it isn't always art, following rigid accessibility guidelines set by governing bodies isn't art, even if you sometimes need to be creative in your implementation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A good UX design will guide the user’s eyes to certain places, just like a good painting.

I think we can both agree that graphic design is art, and UX design, in my opinion, is an extension of graphic design, with the requirement that the user be able to navigate and interact with the graphics, not just receive and understand the information it contains.

I don’t think that terminal interface design, even though it requires creativity, is art in this sense, because the creative expression is solely meant to be functional. In a good UX design, the creative expression is not only meant to be functional, but also to evoke certain feelings and convey certain attitudes. Think about how the McDonalds self order kiosks need to both be functional, in that you can find what you want and place your order, but also evoke feelings about each item and convey an attitude of friendliness to the user. This is a different type of UX design than, say, a bank, which needs to convey an attitude of professionalism and evoke a feeling of safety.

I am a software engineer, and when I used to design a user interface, it was always pretty terrible for your average user. For an example, look at PNotify, which I designed over a decade ago. I am learning art (I’ve been painting for a few years), and through that, I think I’ve gotten better at UX design. You can see the progression in SMUI, which I made several years later, around 2018, then in Port87, which I made recently. I’m still not great at UX design, but learning more about the visual arts has definitely helped me improve.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But what about telephone sanitisers, account executives, hairdressers, tired TV producers, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, public relations executives, and management consultants?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Is this the list from Hitchhiker's Guide?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Hey, cleaners are second most important, they must be paid super well, right?

... Right?

[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 month ago (8 children)

You can tell this is a poll of what people perceive to be the important jobs because doctor is #1. The most important jobs by sector in order of importance for developed nations is

  1. power supply- we all need electricity and few of us have the ability to generate it ourselves

  2. water supply- getting enough clean water for your day to cook and wash is a near full time job. For Americans a gallon of water is roughly 8lbs and your average toilet uses 3-5 gallons per flush. It would take much of the day to get and purify the water you use

  3. sanitation workers- this the poll got right. The folks collecting waste do more directly for public health than most doctors could hope to do.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For modern society, sure. For foundational society, you don't have any societies without Farmers, Educators, and some sort of doctor.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We had hunter gatherer societies with none of those jobs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure, but we didn't have even ancient cities without them

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I wonder if doctors get elevated on these polls because people feel like it is a more unattainable skill.

I would imagine a lot of people (falsely) assume that it would be easy to plop people into power plants to keep them running, but harder to replace doctors.

My completely unknowledgeable take is that if we had to pick and choose people for the post apocalypse job hunt, we would want way more mechanics and engineers than doctors. Doctors need a lot of hard to obtain stuff to do the most doctor-ey part of their jobs, and if we aren't worried about laws and regulations, then we don't need them for things like prescriptions.

Most of what they would be needed for in that scenario to me seems like emergency care, like first aid, which you don't really need all the superfluous med school training for.

Meanwhile, the hydroelectric dam that the new post apocalypse group is forming at needs a lot of varied disciplines and specialties just to keep it running.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I assume this is why we hear about foreign actors targeting power stations more than hospitals.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Without power all those hospitals are nearly useless. Sure there are backup generators but they only run the bare minimum and only for so long.

Disable the power grid and the affects will be catastrophic on any developed nation. All the food will be spoiled within a few days to a few weeks. No business will be able to run including gas stations. Most communication will be down.

The whole area grinds to a halt untill power can be restored. Do enough damage to take out the power for a week to a large city and the damage will be incalculable. Not to mention the lives lost in that time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is also why GWB tried to redo the US electrical grid but failed. It is a huge target that needs to be updated.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm honestly surprised that cleaner and garbage collector are as high up there on the list as they are because those seem to be jobs that society generally looks down on.

At least the graphic has that going for it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Wonder if it was a poll during 2020. COVID really highlighted cleaners' jobs as essential.

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