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In a Fox News interview, Donald Trump argued that Ukraine should not have resisted Russia’s 2022 invasion, claiming Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy should have made a deal with Vladimir Putin.

Trump criticized Zelenskyy for choosing to fight, compared the military strength of Russia and Ukraine, and said he could have ended the war quickly through negotiations.

Trump’s stance contrasts with Joe Biden's strong support for Ukraine, including aid and sanctions on Russia.

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[–] [email protected] 210 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Rapist claims victims shouldn't fight back. More at 11pm

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (6 children)

What American doesn't jump at the chance to fight Russia?

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 2 months ago (16 children)

Ukraine HAD a deal with Russia ensuring its peace and its borders. It was called the Budapest Memorandum. Russia was the one violating the deal Russia had agreed to.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“Just lay there and take it.” Is Trump’s motto

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It sounds right in content and in him not knowing that lay is a transitive verb.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A WHAT-itive verb?!?

-shits out a new Executive Order-

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Honestly I'm more worried about the NATO 5% thing which is blatantly designed to fracture the alliance.

The number was 2%, and many didn't hit that. 5% is never going to happen and is going to be Trump's cause to pull out, mark my words. Thankfully Congress put some stops in there, but doesn't mean Trump can't fuck things up bigly.

Ukraine can schlump along with NATO sans USA, but no NATO and Ukraine is finished.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago

Of course the convicted felon would say that Ukraine should just lie down and let Russia grab 'em by the country.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

America hasn't had to deal with the recieving end of Imperialism for almost 250 years. (its been on the giving end of it for the last century) America is in no position, not Trump, not Elon, not Biden, not the dude that just wants to grill. None of them are in a position to tell someone not to fight for freedom, when there is an actual threat of losing ones freedom and sovereignty. Most western countries have long forgotten what the struggle is all about because they've had their freedom for centuries.

Ukraine's fight has been going on for centuries, but 2022-Present has been the defining moment of that fight.

If you aren't going to help, shut the fuck up, and fuck off and let the rest of us handle it. Ukraine isn't going to stop fighting for its existence just because Part of America is tired and upset about superficial things like egg prices. If America isn't going to carry the torch of Liberty, there are plenty of others willing to take it from here.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

He can 'make a deal' with me as I take his real estate portfolio off his hands.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I assume he would have said the same to Poland at the start of WWII?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Well, this is not the best argument given Poland's history of being nonexistent for 123 years until a deal was made. On the other hand, the German-Russian invasion of 1939 is the prime example of a war of aggression.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So president of a nation that has the motto "give me liberty or give me death" is saying this.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The people who voted for him tend to prefer "Don't tread on me" which makes it even more ironic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Any time I see those stickers, flags or license plates I have a deep urge to reenact the curb stomping scene from American History X using the person who has it/them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Well yeah, the full saying is "Don't tread on me, tread on ukraine instead". They just shortened it

[–] [email protected] 120 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is literally all the “anti war” arguments. George Washington should have just stopped resisting the red coats.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Washington was part of a revolution. This is an invasion. More like Russia should have just let Napoleon have it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but that makes it entirely unrelatable to the Americans making these arguments.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. How about this?

It’s like letting the SCARY EVIL (mysteriously suddenly nonexistent) IMMIGRANT MEXICAN CARAVAN INVADERS just come in and have the US.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Are they eating our pets though?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Not if you eat them first!

I wish I could eat my puppies and have their scruffy faces and waggy tails with me all the time! Petting them would be difficult...

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Obviously. That’s what brown people do, right? The clearly authoritative (checks notes) rich white Nazi on TV told me.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

This just confirms that Zelenskyy has a way bigger ball count than Trump by two.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

As in 'becoming a part of Russia isn't too bad actually'? Because that's what would have happened if they hadn't fought back.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why would he say something so easily disproven at this point? If Ukraine should not have fought back they would have been defeated already.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Why would he say something so easily disproven at this point?

His reputation for honesty and good judgement is ruined!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

if only he hadn't fought back against being prosecuted.

he'd be in prison... or on death row... and we wouldn't be in this mess---again.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's easy to say don't fight back when you're not the one getting beaten up and mugged

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Well, what was Ukraine wearing? Maybe they were asking for it?

Obviously /s

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

~~"Trump suggests Ukraine shouldn't have fought back against Russia"~~

"Trump demostrates how little he understands about the conflict in Ukraine"

FTFY

No deal can be made with Putin when the ruthless conquest of rebuilding a Russian empire is Putin's goal.

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