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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, you can say that, but of course people do. It's not like it's a completely bizarre movement of the arm. It happens now and then and people are demonized because of it. I really don't mean to defend Elon Musk, because I really wouldn't mind him being guillotined, but to claim that everyone that's been accused of doing a nazi salute, has intentionally done a nazi salute, is rather bizarre. We really don't need this, in order to hate on Musk, he's got all the hateability checks. There are plenty reasons that are far beyond any debate that would make him one of the most hated people on earth, and he deserves all of that. But the 'see, it's a nazi, here's the proof ' won't convince anyone that's not already on board on hating him. The argument that it's immoral to have over 400 billion, and that if he was a reasonable person he would give some shares to his employees, or lower prices, or distribute his money in power in whatever way possible because only a power hungry narcisistic maniac would hoard all this power, or whatever, is, I think, far more convincing than focussing on this awkward hand gesture.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Okay so first technically that's not true. It's possible.

But Elon 100% did that shit on purpose.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

With no intention to defend Elon Musk.... Jude Bellingham doing a Nazi salute by mistake and Toni Kroos lowering his arm.

In any case to me Elon's gesture looks very much intentional(either because he wanted to stir the pot or he actually means it), and even if there is doubt, he is not the kind of man that deserves benefit of the doubt.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What Elon did was a nazi salute, and Elon is a nazi.

Back in the early days of Trump 1.0, I was accused of accidentally making a nazi salute. I raised a pint glass in cheers with no open palm (a drinking glass was in my hand). This wasn't a nazi salute, but people were so keyed up to overreact and attack their friends and coworkers that it didn't matter.

People are not taking Elon's salute seriously because our society has lost its ability to take such accusations seriously. People remember the overreaction and baseless accusations being flung between people who should have had solidarity in Trump 1.0, and that undermines trust in similar claims today. This jadedness gives cover for the actual mask-off nazism in Trump 2.0.

People are so used to finding out that an accused nazi salute from the clickbait article was just someone trying to say cheers or making an awkward hand gesture that it takes extra evidence now to convince them that the AfD-supporting billionaire that just bought an election actually did a full nazi salute starting from the chest with no other justification (and then repeated it).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did you explain your position following such accusations or did you do what he's doing which is attacking everyone?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wasn't given an opportunity, and I ended up leaving the job in question due to hostility and violence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

im sorry that happened to you. that mist have been awful and i believe you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you.

That was far from the worst thing that happened to me at that job. When I think of that job and why I left it, this incident barely registers.

The reason I'm talking about it now is that the experience has biased me. When I first read that Elon gave a nazi salute, my first reaction was doubt due to this bias. Watching the clip cleared my doubt.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What if you're really drunk and you're trying to hail a cab but you can't rustle up enough strength to get your arm outside of the danger zone?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He wasn't drunk or hailing a cab so I don't know what you are getting at.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

That it is possible to do it accidentally. But a normal person would realize their mistake and apologize profusely.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

No, they do it so we talk about it instead of the actually dangerous executive orders etc.

And damn is it working exactly as intended because, like my sister when she was 10, we can't help but take the bait.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Thank you for posting a side by side comparison. Really makes it clear it was a nazi salute.

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