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a drawing of a person wearing a balaclava and holding a gun with the text "all my homies hate tankies" :3

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i deffo hate some tankies, in the same way that i deffo hate some vegetarian/vegans when they actively chase people away for seemingly no reason. sometimes though i do feel like i see more blind hate for entire communities than actual worthwhile discussion.

i guess the problem could really just come down to your definition of “tankie”. to some folks it’s a very specific kind of obvious troll, and to others it’s just anyone on an .ml instance.

and not to turn it into a “lesser evil” discussion, but between .world and .ml, i definitely know which which meme community i’m hanging out in. i’ve yet to have a single bad interaction with anyone in .ml communities, but i also don’t talk politics in fucken marxist/leninist spaces either. YMMV hahahah

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not all ml-ers are tankies, but most of them are, and all it takes is most of them.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

Authoritarians of all kinds fuck off!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep just keep punching left 😮‍💨

"First they came for the **socialists**, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

—Martin Niemöller

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Tankies. Not leftists. Tankies specifically.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I d l t n a t a p w t t a n h . S y a , a I t o o n a h ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

what? X3

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Digging the anti-corporate vibes of a Games Workshop Chaos Star.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

All my homies agree, I really look good in black, fool.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I remember a time when tankies were just the militant leftists that would literally and physically punch nazis. That was pretty much the only qualification required, anarchist or communist: if you were willing to do violence on a nazi you were the tankie and it didn't require some stance on NATO geopolitics.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ig the word changed meaning then :3

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Absolutely co-opted, yeah.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Ugh this type of bullshit infighting within leftist spaces is about as serious as debating your tabletop RPG actions, and sends regular people packing. None of this shit matters. Real people don't care about it and they have no idea what a tankie is. Feds love this bullshit. We're losing, we lost, the world is becoming a fascist hellscape but apparently somebody has time to make memes about fighting each other. It's amazing how that always seems to happen, especially now when you'd think most people could feel unified?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

To fix everything people gotta stop being tribalist idiots. Lol!! Maybe try to get murdoch and Koch the memo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

apparently somebody has time to make memes

A) to be fair, memes are the principal monetization strategy of the internet

B) there is a factory somewhere that is mass producing injection-molded fake dog shit out of plastic and this post is the thing that gets your hackles up about an ineffectual expenditure of time, thought and human capital?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Thanks a lot, now I'm just thinking about the fake dog shit factory.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yknow what feds love? hierarchical organisations, where they just gotta assassinate or compromise the leader to make it fall appart or coopt the entire organisation.

but real talk discussions like this are valuable for voicing real criticism against harmful "leftist" ideologies and through that developing our own views more wholistically. and this is important. you cant only criticise fascists, neo-liberals, and fudalists, or you might miss out on the underlying criticisms and will reproduce their flaws because of that. and while tankies might be able to do similar work as anarchists in the here and now, they are still flawed and this will only get worse, the more power they get. this discussion is important to any real person, who because of it wont fall for the lie of authoritarianism or might even escape it.

and this world is turning fascist but tankies are cheering on half of them. you know what sends regular people packing? support for china, the soviet union, and north korea. authoritarianism takes the credibility away from libratory struggles.

also its just good to vent frustrations sonetimes...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

disagree i think it’s

a) fun

b) helpful to be aware of the stakes at play. authoritarianism has hurt many people and it does no justice to be quiet about that.

c) something that doesn’t even happen that often anyway so like idc

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I love my anarchist comrades and I love my communist comrades. I hate seeing memes like this. May we all be lucky enough to argue in the midst of a real revolution. Until then, focus on the fucking fascists.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Unity above all else. Absolutely. However Tankie rhetoric in good faith or from an agent provocateur is something that needs to be addressed directly. Any power structure without egalitarian praxis is antithetical to the movement. Communism and Anarchism are very similar to the point where there are anarcho communists.

I want to make sure that there is space for us to figure out self governance immediately after the revolution. I don't want to rely on a nascent "interim" government to hand it down to me.

https://viewpointmag.com/2018/06/11/intercommunalism-the-late-theorizations-of-huey-p-newton-chief-theoretician-of-the-black-panther-party/#f%209945%201%206

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Anarcho communism just makes sense. If communism is a moneyless, classless, stateless society, is it not by default anarchist as well?

And I’m not referring to any of the so called “communist” countries because they’re all variations of socialist and not communist. They all have a state.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

we dont need power to the people after some magical revolution somewhere in the future. we need to prefigure non-hierarchical structures in the here and now, and while even building the capacity for violent insurrection.

i dont trust a revolutionairy army, that is build on authoritairian principles, to give power away to a newly forming anarchist society, once in power. if all that people know is hierarchy, thats the structures they will tend to recreate.

looking at real revolutionairy movements, it appears to me that they either turn anarchist during the prolonged struggle or forever stay authoritairian despite their best efforts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hear you on this. Most people just want to be on the top of the hierarchy which is at least partly why none of the so called “communist” countries ever actually achieved it.

Most people can’t fathom a lack of hierarchy. Even in interpersonal relationships.

The parent above the child. The boss above the worker. The principal above the teacher. The husband above the wife. Etc etc. that’s why queer people are so attacked, besides the “we’re not normal” part, we upend hierarchical beliefs. I’m a lesbian, and when I’m dating someone, there’s always a hetero (who is queer friendly, just stupid!) asking who’s the “man” in the relationship. None! That’s the point!

We have to get over a lifetime of conditioning. I’ve always been anarchist since I was young - when I was 4, I became vegetarian. My reasoning, at four: why is a dog more valuable than a cow? If I wouldn’t eat my dog why would I eat a cow? And you know what, 32 years later I still abide by that logic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I'm someone with a leg in both tendencies, as it were. I purposely avoid getting too into the theory weeds, in favor of interacting with actual people. I see the word "tankie" used veeerrryyy liberally lately, and it feels like it doesn't signify very much. Respectfully, thinking about "immediately after the revolution" is getting way ahead of yourself, at least in relation to who you work with today.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The thing is historically leftists ally with anarchists until they get power and then they execute the anarchists. They want unity as long as it's convenient for their agenda, but that's true of any philosophy that encourages power structures of any kind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Historically yes. Any transition of power is a dangerous time. There's a history of communists factions and bad faith actors working with fascists in Italy to murder anarchists who were planning to kill Mussolini. However that's not a conversation that's necessary this very second. Stratification of power and the way in which it's weilded is not lost on me. The problem with people that make bombs is sometimes the only cause they have is the one that necessitates bombings.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago

"However that's not a conversation that's necessary this very second"

"Trust me bro we won't kill you immediately afterwards, just do what helps us and you'll be fine, trust me bro"

Kinda feels like what the DNC told Bernie supporters the past 10 years.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This.

Also, tankies are that not because they're communists (they're not, no matter how hard they insist) but because they support an oppressor on the same scale as the one they demand we unite with them to oppose, simply because said oppressor calls themselves communist (again, they're not), seemingly without understanding how that might make those of us opposed to all oppression mistrust them, and be unwilling to simply overlook their values and actions.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm deep left libertarian, borderline anarchist, but if I have to make a choice between auths- tankies or Nazis- I'll take tankies every time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

No reason to settle when talking about revolution

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

What if I told you that's a false dichotomy and not a choice you will ever have to make?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Then you will have told me that.

But real talk, it's looking more and more like some kind of auth future may be inevitable. I hope not.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Most communists/socialists arent tankies (even if .ml tries really hard to convince everyone otherwise) but identify with hammer and sickle too :(

But fk tankies, I'm with you on that

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

i agree. i hope anti-authoritarians dont feel targeted. i personally would not call myself a communist or use hammer and sickle, because they are too charged but they can definitely represent things i can stand behind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I kinda do, that's why I wrote, but no hard feelings :)

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