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An embryo is one of the earliest stages of development of a multicellular organism. But according to the Supreme Court of Alabama, it is a person, too — an unborn child, entitled to the same legal protections as any minor.

The court ruled on Feb. 16 that a fertility clinic patient who accidentally destroyed other patients’ frozen embryos could be liable in a wrongful death lawsuit, writing in its opinion that “the Wrongful Death of a Minor Act applies to all unborn children, regardless of their location,” and that this includes “unborn children who are located outside of a biological uterus at the time they are killed.”

This has had immediate and profound consequences on the practice of in vitro fertilization in the state, with many fertility clinics already deciding to interrupt their services for fear of legal repercussions, including the University of Alabama at Birmingham, which has paused its IVF treatments, as has Alabama Fertility Services.

But the implications may reach beyond Alabama’s border: 11 other states have fetal personhood laws, and in at least four of them — Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and South Carolina — such laws have already been used to prosecute pregnant women for child endangerment and neglect. Like Alabama, these states could interpret their wrongful death laws as applying to embryos, putting IVF clinics in legally vulnerable situations.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Everyone needs to stop having kids unless and until the government starts treating people better. There are other places to cum besides inside a vagina.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A rando destroyed other people's embryos. I'd say sure, the clinic is liable for their lack of security.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It's property damage, not murder. The property damage is minor compared to the legal havoc of the court case

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

An embryo is technically, a fertilized egg. It makes economic sense to fertilize a batch of egg cells in one go because

1: They may not all be successfully fertilized 2: Some fertilized eggs may encounter defects early on in development.

I haven't checked the original article, but I assume fertilized eggs ( embryos) where accidentally destroyed when dropped.

With all that said, I think this whole thing is ridiculous. A baby needs three things to be born. A sperm, an egg, and a uterus (maybe in the future we'll have crazy external uteruses. We've done it with sheep.).

If an embryo is not placed into a uterus, I'm not bothering referring to it as a human. Hell, you can't even identify the sex yet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Who should get to decide what happened to your embryos? If you choose to destroy them, sign a waiver for the clinic, and it's done. If any other person destroys them against your wishes, shouldn't you have a say in that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Should vasectomies be considered mass murder?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A gamete is not an embryo. A wise person once said, if takes two to tango.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but it’s a wasted potential for life. I propose that all men stop masturbating and all women stop having their periods. This is the only way to preserve the life of the unborn gamete and the unfertilized egg.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Every potential combination of sperm and egg is an actual human soul! Save the people who never had a possibility of existing!

/s

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I still remember all my sweethearts from grade school. Just imagine all the babies I could have had if I had just been more openly horny and actually asked all of them for the honor to be their sperm donor 😜.

I ended up marrying a lovely lovely lady with whom we made several IVF kids, more than 2 but less than 10 to be precise. Each of them has a soul. Unfortunately we did end up regretfully loosing many to periods and miscellaneous miscarriages that I never got to witness or see because she decided to have her own private mourning.

Should the government tell us how to mourn for lost pregnancies? Frozen embryos? Frozen eggs? Periods? General cum? I cum a lot. I must be fucking crying every day all day long for all that cum. I could have repopulate the entire planet already. Such loss! I hope the government also regulates cum. Maybe we have to say the pledge of alliance twice before or due a climax. If you're not nice to your partner, they can go to the police and have you arrested for cumming without prayer 🙏. LOL.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Great just what I need, a good wanking off to PH being punishable by death for 2.2 petabytes of wasted genetic material

EDIT: I just found out each sperm contains about ~780MB of genetic information, so my first number (1.2TB was massively off)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

“Equating embryos with children,” as though embryo isn’t a definitive state of a human

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

A carbon atom is a definite state of human

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

well and embryo doesn’t have nostrils so that solves it; can’t be alive

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Sounds fair. Gonna claim the pile of dirt in my yard as dependants for my taxes this year.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Well . . . yeah.