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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

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-Server location (jurisdiction)

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-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

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If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

Sooo, can we not create and/or finance our own? Please be gentle…but…is there not enough of us paying for proton and other privacy apps to fund a floss or non-profit version? I mean there are tech nerds all over this place, along with law nerds and political nerds…etc..(meant with love btw) that would have an instant user base.

I pledge here to sub up to $15usd/month for any lemmy person that starts an entity that provides us with what we need with ethics and morality of lemmy common.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

As a Brit, I'm not offended by the Proton CEO's post. I don't like Donald Trump BUT I do like that he has hired someone who should be tough on tech anti-trust moves. This is very important.

Americans can be obsessed with their electoral system, but the rest of us don't have to pretend to support the Democrats or Republicans. I don't necessarily agree with all of Andy Yen's take regarding the two parties, but I'm not offended enough by it to boycott Proton, certainly not based on one tweet. I can also see the pragmatic benefit to his position by massaging trumps well known fragile ego.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

Was there any urge (as if you can be urged at all to bootlick a rightwing asshole) to make these statements? No. Yet he did it.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 hours ago (8 children)

This is amazing. People were perfectly okay with ignoring all the red flags in Proton and their products and really okay with buying all their bullshit, then a tweet saying Trump comes up and that's it. lol

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

🤷 sometimes people grumble quietly until a final straw is added to the stack. Not surprising.

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Truly unhinged that they decided to come out on this. Fellas, you are fucking Swiss why throw yourself under the bus for the US election

[–] [email protected] 27 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

OK I think I will move to Posteo. Great security, privacy focussed, servers in Germany, running with 100% renewable energy. Prices are ok, too. Ticks all boxes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

It's super simple and great for pricing its like 1 dollar a month worth it to tick all the positive boxes it does.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

I will continue to use Proton and their services, not because I support or endorse any political decisions from the CEO/board members (and I don't), but because they provide open source, secure, and private software that I love.

This is no different than arguing about using GrapheneOS based on the behavior of the maintainers.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Oh no... I use Graphene... what's the deal with the maintainers?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

This video seemed to have been the start of an anti-GrapheneOS movement. I won't get into details, because it's been explained to death, but it's here for your convenience.

I use and love GrapheneOS as well.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

In all seriousness, I genuinely feel like the demographics of those making over 250K/year outside of Silicon Valley (proton is from Switzerland which is a center-right country), and outside of the arts industries, is probably bare minimum of lib-center, and probably most likely to be at least fiscally conservative, if not socially as well. Those kind of people are more concerned with maintaining their financial position than the issues plaguing the income classes that the individual has graduated out of.

I don’t think you’re going to find many CEOs that aren’t at least a little right of center or self serving in their business interests.

Getting to the top 1% income bracket is a lot easier than maintaining that financial position.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

using services based on the ceo's political leaning instead of actual features and policies of that service? that's dumb, tell me when that political leaning reflects in polices of proton then we can talk

[–] [email protected] 22 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

I guess the assumption is that over time they inevitably will have an effect and people want to switch before that happens.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago

You're both right. I'd do the same to jump ship before the enshitification sets in. Often, I've seen how innocuous policy and feature changes creep in and before you know it, the switching costs are too high.

I had an app on my phone and one day they removed the export function. I only used it for backing up my data but when they raised rates and started slamming with ads, I wanted to leave but could not take my data with me. I ended to just uninstalling and starring over elsewhere.

Also, this is exactly what happened to reddit. They cut the api first so it was harder to take your communities and saved stuff with you.

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