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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Literally any vehicle not made with more than 4 week old tech is subject to theft, the people who write articles and pass laws don't understand anything but near as I can tell. I've worked on cars all my life, but I lost interest after my early 20s on keeping up. I can steal any vehicle built before 2000 in a few minutes, getting into seconds pre 94. The "kids today" who've worked on modern cars all their life can do this to anything new fast, it's the old junk that might slow them down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

5 years ago, a 70-year-old towtruck driver/mechanic told me how he learned of the tools criminals can use to steal keyless entry vehicles. Anyone worth half their salt in the industry knows it's possible and how it's done and has known for a while.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In Canada, car theft was a major problem before 2010 until engine immobilizers became mandatory since 2007 on all vehicles made in Canada

Then everyone got too comfortable. The regulatory bodies and car manufacturers were too focused pretending doing some work and publishing all the buzzword-of-the-day "accomplishments" they were doing while patting each others backs without explicitely requiring manufacturers to comply/implement immediately anything. Meanwhile, manufacturers were happy to integrate almost off-the-shelf "children's RC" car starter pack obfuscated through invisible/non-existent security and protected under dubious industrial secrets.

Obviously, criminals smelled the easy money. Starting around 2013 — mystery car unlocking device | 2015 — signal repeater car burglary, car thefts by relay attacks were known by automakers but ignored as one-offs, too technical, already dealt with by law enforcement to lets pretent it's not that big of a problem or leave it to the police. Meanwhile, insurance claim replacement vehicles are selling like hotcakes and it is "convenient" to ignore the problem.

The following years various reprogramming theft become known and finally CAN bus injection — new form of keyless car theft that works in under 2 minutes or in depth investigation by Dr. Ken Tindell, becomes so easy, so cheap and widely available that even kids uses them to gain Youtube/TikTok followers.

Car hacking was a becoming serious concern during the pandemic, but now it's simply ridiculous and as if current automaker included/provided anti-theft/GPS tracking were (un)knowingly made "defective".

Hence, everyone is playing catch up and blaming left and right on who is responsible for this in-slow-motion public safety disaster.

Brian Kingston, president and CEO of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association, which includes Ford Motor Company of Canada, General Motors of Canada and Stellantis, said increasing the risk of prosecution is the most effective way to deter vehicle theft.

"And at the same time, providing more outbound inspection controls at the ports to prevent the flow of stolen vehicles to foreign markets by organized criminal organizations," he added.

New vehicle safety standards have been published (rushed?) recently. We will see if all the panic settles down like after 2007.

Moreover, the exponential prevalence of car theft also laid bare the incredibly poor and ineffective security at the various ports of Canada. Unsurprisingly, it has been a known constant devolution:

The devolution of port authorities in Canada has not been without debate over the past 70 years. This paper provides a brief introduction to the role of ports in Canada and then examines the history of port policy and devolution, concluding that past policies were considered to have failed due to their inability to respond to changing circumstances.

(A partial repost of my same reply for a similar thread about the Canadian Government rushing to look like they are doing something, please check my post history for the other thread)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I'm glad you added the bottom of that because I 100% was going to ask you where you found that because that looked familiar lmao

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Where's the evidence that this stuff is even happening at a high enough rate to even be noteworthy? It seems these articles come out every couple of years, always heavy on claims and light on facts, trying to drum up FUD based on almost nothing but chatter. Last time it was a single grainy night-time video of a couple cars in a driveway where you see the lights flash and theives open the car.

The article claims insurance rates are skyrocketing due to car theft, yet their own article from January they cite states that insurance rates have skyrocketed due to record high inflation.

The article claims police close these cases out in 24 hours which means they aren't even investigating the crimes to find out what happened. They also quote the police who stated that 'car crimes' are down 39% since 2010. Police aren't stating this is an issue.

They quote a couple manufacturers who have higher rates of stolen vehicles and all they state is that they take security seriously and are working on improvements. There's no admission or statement here that this is even occurring.

Finally the only remaining evidence is a paper written 12 years ago theorizing that this could be an issue. Hardly proof that it's currently occurring.

To me, it just sounds like people who've watched too many movies like Gone in 60 Seconds and don't understand technology very well who're screaming that the sky is falling.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

While my car wasn't stolen, something very similar to this did happen to me. At the time, my wife and I kept our keys by the door. Our tenant did not, opting to keep the keys in her room. Sadly, my cameras didn't catch the person, but you can see their silhouette approach the driveway, then the lights on my wife's and my cars flash (exactly as you describe) before the person entered them and searched them. (This was during lockdown, so we weren't travelling anywhere and so fortunately didn't have anything of value in our car.) Our other friend's car did not open.

I'm not suggesting this is an epidemic or anything, merely that it's possible.

ETA: We only had one copy of our keys each and at no point did they go missing. The police did come to investigate (apparently it happened to at least several people on our street) but we never heard back. Presumably the person was not found.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's called a relay attack. Thieves just amplify the normally very weak signal and intercept communication. This allows them to unlock the door, and if push start, bypass the immobilizer to start the car. If a key is still required, this doesn't work for starting the car.

The general rule for key fobs is never keep them near the door where the car is parked. Place them on the opposite side of the house. If you want to, some suggestions around the web include making a homemade Faraday box to put your key fob in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Indeed - nowadays my keys are far from anywhere accessible from the outside. Thanks though!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

interesting. Usually they will try to start your car and take off using that signal boosting method.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I think this individual was going for lower hanging fruit (and presumably hoping for lighter consequences if they got caught, though I'm not sure that's what they would have gotten).

In this case, after talking to neighbors, it seemed like they were just going down the street, briefly stopping at each driveway, breaking into whatever cars they could, quickly going through the glove compartment and center console, and stealing anything they perceived to be of value.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Everything with more tech or smart isn't always better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Business bros didn’t care, you say?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They've known far longer than that....

When was the invention of the immobilizer again? Oh yeah: 1919 104 years ago. With keyless entry being 1981 43 years ago.

Yet theres still cars on the road, built long after those creations, that you can start with a usb cable... (and that's just for the physical shape, not any sort of data)

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