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His grand vision remains to leave Mastodon users in control of the social network, making their own decisions about what content is allowed or what appears in their timelines.

I don't use Mastadon cause I don't care for micro-blogging, but nevertheless, I like this.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Copy-pasting a comment from Aurich (Ars Staffer):

I set up the Ars Mastodon instance, and speaking as a relatively educated and technically savvy person I found it extremely confusing. And the more I learned later the more I don't feel remotely bad about being confused, it's honestly pretty messy.

I put Ars on the main instance, and I think it was the right call. We're not going to maintain our own, at least at this time, and trusting a random instance that's very difficult to vet is kinda sketchy.

We ran a guest editorial a while back that I think really clearly outlines the various issues:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/op-ed-why-the-great-twittermigration-didnt-quite-pan-out/

But you know, it's really okay. It doesn't have to be big, or popular or mainstream. As long as it survives and people like it? That's good enough.

I think going into an era of balkanization of social isn't the worst thing.

One of my complaints with Mastodon and similars is that you can't search only for posts of a specific instance, or temporarily mute a single instance from your feed. There's also some sort of "invisible wall" for Pleroma users (niche of a niche), as their public posts simply don't show up in public Mastodon searches, though I don't know whether that's a problem with Mastodon or Pleroma.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Same here. I still try to use it once every day in support but I don't like having such a low limit (or any limit at all, really) on how many characters I'm allowed to use for my posts or response. I am more of a macro-blogger as I tend to be very verbose; especially posting online. I do, however, think it is important to create accounts, use and donate to the project that is mastodon; as they are leading by example in this "New Social" era or movement we are all apart of. It would be a shame that something like this isn't able to continue, let alone expand, because not enough people supported the project -- even though such project is giving the people exactly what they wanted and asked for. Let's all try to show our support behind such a bold and selfless decision.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago

An interesting real time experiment to see how long it takes for stratification caused echo chambers and/or extremists zealots from both ends of the political spectrum to seize control of the platform. Turning the platform into a hellscape of zealots fighting each other for dominance and the eradication of all the others.

Sadly, humans as a rule need adult guidance for polite interactions to prevent violence. The sad part is it has become impossible to pick said adult capable of doing the job. And anyone in their right mind should run from such a job anyway.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 day ago (72 children)

Why is there this very loud chorus of people touting bluesky as alternative to twitter instead of the far superior Mastodon?

Bluesky you are basically swapping a tyrant against a benevolent dictator, that dictator can become corrupted or sell bluesky to Musk Elon later on.... That is not a solution that is more like procrastination.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Mastodon’s interface creates a self-selection bias of more technically inclined people, and is too dissimilar to twitter for the average user to want to invest time in learning it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

Because Bluesky has a marketing budget.

"We need to get away from these billionaire-ran social media sites! Ooh, a new billionaire-ran social media site!"

Same with the people who fled reddit and set their communities up on Discord...

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (14 children)

I think it is because Bluesky is simpler and easier to understand, as well as more familiar to use than mastodon. My favorite streamer said he is reluctant to move to the fediverse because of how different it is and the learning curve it has to it. I'm also, like, EXTREMELY new here and understand but once you start to get used to it, its easy to see how the fediverse and this "New Social" wave is far superior; the only hard part is getting "normies" to try it long enough to build enough familiarity to see that.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

You just got the answer in the headline and you answered yourself.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

bluesky has more funding for self-promotion.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It has more features, and most people don't know why Mastadon might be better. The average person doesn't even know what a server is.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mastodon has far more features. What it doesn’t have is centralization.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Lots of little things that add up. Some of the better include temporary muting, hashtags, and hashtag subscriptions. Plus it is resilient with no single point of failure.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure Bluesky has hashtags. Subscribing to a hashtag and muting someone temporarily is nice. I think the main feature Mastadon is missing is discovery algorithms. Most people use that heavily on social media, whether they admit they value it or not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What is this, then? It’s on the front page of a Mastodon server before you log in and afterwards the discovery section with posts, hashtags, people etc. is on the search page after login. Bluesky was far harder to get a decent feed going on till people started building lists (and those are pretty flawed in that you only follow the individuals - not the list - so it doesn’t update for subscribers).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Oh cool, I didn't realize they added that. I tried Mastadon a while ago and couldn't find anything interesting. I don't use any micro blogging apps.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

152k to 1.5 milhouse is definitely an astronomical increase. Where does that number come from? For that matter...has he been funding all of this on his own up until this point?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree that 1.5 milhouse is quite a lot.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

everything's coming up thrillho

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What does ceding control even mean? Mastodon, just like Lemmy, is federated - each instance has its own governance. It was never controlled by a single person to begin with.

He can cede control of the GitHub repository, I guess, but:

  1. That's giving the controls to the contributors, not the users.
  2. The article does not even hint at the existence of source code, and the announcement itself doesn't talk about changes in that aspect either, so I don't think that's what's happening here.
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Someone is still in charge of the git account. No matter how many commits there are being made, unless the owner of the repo approves to merge them, it's not happening.

And sure, someone could create a fork that includes their changes if they aren't being merged, but then this separate fork might at some point lose compatibility with the original software. And on a purely semantic note, this fork wouldn't be the original mastodon either.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

its an org, it can have multiple owners.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Once it is an organization, yes, that's the whole point. Right now it is still an individual, that's the point I was trying to make.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

no it's not? https://github.com/orgs/mastodon/people

unless we're talking about different things?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a virtual structure in github, not a legal construct. Those organisations have owners (minimum 2), but if they collude and go rogue, they can do quite a lot of harm. (See also https://docs.github.com/en/organizations/managing-peoples-access-to-your-organization-with-roles/roles-in-an-organization).

A formally incorporated nonprofit organization has statutes, organs, supervisory boards and all that by which they must adhere, so once set up properly, the software would be fully protected from malicious intent on a legal level.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

...but you were talking about the git project in the parent comment? the rest of the thread is about company structure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Noj profit does not have owners per se, but it is still controlled by somebody

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was thinking specifically about the github.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ain't he putting it under a non profit structure?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

dunno. they were talking about git so i was assuming we were talking about git.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It was never controlled by a single person to begin with.

The computer program called Mastodon was (and still is for now) completely controlled by Eugen Rochko. In the future it will be controlled by a non-profit.

See this and this for more info.

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