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Professional voter Owen Jones condemns embassy attack as a “worse than self-defeating” act of “senseless violence” committed by “an incredibly selfish man”—who was “seeking martyrdom” and “egged on by edgy types in the West”—because he didn’t kill Putin instead

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

i mean his post is not wrong, just a very anti-adventurist position.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Nah I'm going to push back on that, killing unarmed civilians actively contributing to genocide is not "immoral." This is the same argument for like why the Rebels shouldn't have blown up the Death Star, because they killed thousands upon thousands of "innocent civilians" doing plumbing or electrical maintenance or cooking on the Planet Exploding Death Ray Genocide Machine. Obviously "morality" here isn't relevant one way or another, these kinds of violent acts are the natural consequence of genocide, but there comes a point when unarmed civilians are no longer "innocent."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Maybe using star wars as a point of reference isn’t the best idea. It’s not some peak revolutionary strategy or something. And if I were to indulge in this comparison, killing a couple of functionaries is hardly destroying the most powerful military installation in the galaxy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I'm not saying his entire post is wrong. I agree that often the liquidation of low level functionaries of something isn't akin to an actual revolutionary strategy and often backfires, that's not what I'm arguing. I'm strictly pushing back on his statement that killing unarmed civilians is always immoral. Something can be both moral and still stupid/ineffective in the long run.

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