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Oh no, I'm so sorry for your poor friends. It must have been so hard to not abuse animals. I understand, not abusing animals is hard. When I stopped beating my dog with a rolled up newspaper every day, I was so depressed. I'm sure your friends are going through the exact same thing as me now that they aren't paying for companies to put animals in cages and kill them.
no one does that.
If you don't think meat comes from locking animals in cages and killing them, where the fuck do you think meat comes from?
i don't pay companies to do that. no one does.
Lots of people pay for meat
yea. but the people doing the caging and killing are paid before that meat ever lands in a supermarket or restaurant. and they're usually paid by the people who own the facility.
Who get their money from the supermarket, who get their money from...?
interestingly, after you spend money, it's not yours anymore, and you don't get to decide how the recipient spends it.
And that's why you shouldn't give your money to killers, or to people whose job is to pay killers.
most people don't.
Most people do, that's what happens when you buy meat. Your money pays for the animals to be abused.
we just established that's not true.
No, we just established that's true. The farmers and slaughterers are paid by the grocery store, which is paid by the meat eaters. That's where the money to abuse and kill animals comes from. If you don't think they get their money from meat eaters, where do you think it comes from?
even vegans spend money at grocery stores.
Do you mean to say that grocery stores are spending money from vegan sales on meat orders to subsidize an area of the business that isn't making them any money?
I'm saying grocery stores don't keep a pile of money segregated that only-comes-from-and-is-only-spent-on vegan food. when the 4th of July rolls around, they stock up on hotdogs with whatever money is on hand.
I'm also saying your policy of not giving money to grocery stores just isn't workable for most people.
Grocery stores keep budgets and expense reports. They downscale whatever products aren't selling or making them money. It's called running a business.
they may. I don't get to decide how they make decisions or which ones they make.
But you get to influence which decisions are profitable. When you pay them money in exchange for dead animals, you create incentive for them to arrange for there to be more dead animals
they have free will. I don't get to make their decisions for them.
Wow, you found a way to pay for corpses and somehow contrive yourself into not being responsible for the deaths
I'm not responsible for what other people do
So if I gave money to an assassin and told him to kill you, I wouldn't be responsible for his actions?
this analogy doesn't hold up: the meat is on a shelf and everyone has been paid before I decide whether to buy it.
Okay, let's say there's a serial arsonist who's been burning down houses in your neighbourhood. Now he's on GoFundMe asking for money to buy more gasoline. I like burned down houses, so I give him money with the knowledge he will use it to burn down your house.
Do I share any responsibility for what happened to your house?