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[–] [email protected] 108 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

I'm not an anarchist looking for the abolition of police as a concept.

But the institution of policing in America needs a Truth and Reconciliation commission. Complete top to bottom scrapping and rework. And a lot of pigs need to go to prison for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Why abolish fundamentally violent and corrupt organizations when you can collaborate?

Most privileged take.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 16 hours ago

Also, stop calling them cops

This "cop" word has this cool power connotation

Call them police officer, that is what they are

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Also get rid of the police Union as it currently is because apparently it is a major reason for a lot of the systemic issues being faced.

I have no problem with unions per-se, but when police officers break rules, they need to be held accountable and that simply doesn't happen most of the time because of the unions and even when held accountable, it's a slap on the hand and worst case, work in the city next door.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You've also got to demilitarise the police. End 1033 and claw back every iota of military gear. End killology training. Fund social workers to replace many of their duties. Etc etc etc too many things to name. It's so bad that anything approaching adequate reform sounds insanely radical

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

This is it IMHO, as long as the problems pile up (or get made up) and don't get solved by police, they're allowed to spend more and more public money on armored vehicles and other crap that doesn't help the community. This spending is what allows them to be both incompetent and wasteful or downright dangerous. "Follow the money"; who earns from all this?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 20 hours ago

We had that in our European country and it was pretty amazing. Police corruption dropped a shit ton as they were not above the law anymore.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Imagine a world where the top priority of the police team (not “force”) was to help and support the people. “Help” includes stopping confirmed bad guys but also includes finding the homeless a safe place to sleep.

Send all police trainees to social work school.

What a world that would be.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Part of what I would call the PSA - Public Service Agency, so named due to the consistency with Public Service Announcements - would be patrol vehicles (Ford Transit Connect, RIP) that are marked with attention grabbing (not camouflaged) vehicles that help citizens with daily public issues.

• Need some assistance / instructions on how to get unemployment or other public assistance? We got you covered.
• Need some basic first aid and / or a call for an EMT? We got you covered.
• Need some information about how to get jobs, update a resume, or understand your skill set? We got you covered.

We need to remove most of the police from the streets, and inject the streets with helpful people who want to improve the cities, and help to mitigate the issues that cause a rise in crime.

We need to build a system of citizen empowerment.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago

I think you're right but for the wrong reasons - I think it would be an absolute net positive effect but I still think the lines should be drawn between policing and social work and healthcare issues. Fair warning, I'm from the UK which has it's own issues with policing but nothing on the clusterfuck scale as it is across the pond.

Sending police officers (and ambulance staff, maybe even coastguard - in the civilian sense, not the American branch of the military) to do two or four weeks of social work attachment would work wonders. It would provide a great insight into the difficulties and behaviours of those in social or mental crisis, and give more soft tools to recognise and resolve issues.

That said, it shouldnt be policing agencies going to social work or mental health calls in the first place. People in crisis are often acting irrationally or unpredictably due to the very nature of the crisis they're experiencing, and when a lethal weapon is an optional available to the responders, then you'll have a less than spectacular outcome on occasions.

Ideally, additional funding should be centered around social work and mental health teams - perhaps having first responders for both so you don't have cops wading in with the best of intentions, and confronting something they aren't the best people to be dealing with - where a mental health ambulance or a social work rapid response team would bring a welfare call to a far safer conclusion.

I absolutely get that my view is very UK-skewed but if you keep putting armed cops into situations like that - then the public will get hurt, cops will get hurt, the taxpayer coughs up a fortune in legal costs .. all of which could fund better ways to respond to the homeless, the stressed, the neurodiverse, and other non-criminal issues that people phone in with good intentions.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago

Aww man, you made me cry a little bit for what could be.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Start by removing Qualified Immunity.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

While this is definitely needed, I don't think it's a starting point.

IMO, a good place to start is instituting policies requiring LEOs/PDs carry liability insurance. Similar to doctors and other medical practices (in the US). An officer is found guilty or misconduct or violating a citizen's right? Penalties are taken out of their insurance and their premium increases. Can't afford the premium? Guess who's looking for a new job?

The way I see, the pigs can keep their criminal immunity, but civil matters will have a more direct financial incentive for them to behave like they have morals.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's another "market economy" solution.

Maybe start with the training. It's ridiculously short in the US compared to European countries where the training takes usually multiple years, before you're allowed to go on your own

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

Longer training isn't going to help, they need better training

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago

Makes sense. Make them a liability that not even the most corrupt officials wouldn't want to help because it'd be too costly.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 20 hours ago

Fight police with capitalism!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Get rid of pensions, pay them more, and require a full year of (quality) training.