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[–] [email protected] 97 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

Wtf. Hard to believe this is real... Do only certain far right private schools do nationalistic stuff like that or is it a common phenomenon over there, like are public funded schools allowed to do bs like this as well?

EDIT: WWWWTTTTTFFFF

" All states except Nebraska, Hawaii, Vermont, and Wyoming require a regularly scheduled recitation of the pledge in public schools.[13] Many states give a variety of exemptions from reciting the pledge, such as California which requires a "patriotic exercise" every day, which would be satisfied by the Pledge, "

To be honest its a miracle you guys didn't turn facist earlier with stuff like that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In my state, which is extremely conservative, it is illegal to force a student to participate in the pledge. Most teachers are ignorant of this though so you have to bring it up when they try to make you do it. I haven't been in high school for well over 20 years though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You don't have to do it. I stopped doing the pledge around 6th grade. 9-11 made me read into our history a bit more, and pledging allegiance to a flag that is supposed to represent "of the people, by the people, for the people" seems a backwards. Then you realize that it's straight up McCarthy-era bullshit. It's more patriotic to not say the pledge.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean I was punished for not doing it one time. Agreed otherwise

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

I was lucky enough that my parents had engaged with the school system overriding my (and my siblings) civil rights in the past. A little bit of push-back from them quashed a lot of school bullshit. As long as I wasn't endangering myself or my class, and not disrupting the education of other students, I had carte blanche to do what I wanted.

When the whole "trapper keepers only" thing went down around 8th grade, I kept using my backpack, since I walked a little over a mile home from school every day, and the trapper was dead-weight.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Yup, when I heard about it it was really weird. And when I said I won't let my children do that, I learn they'd be ostracized not only by peers but by teachers as well. And considering there'll bullying in schools and teachers don't do much. It doesn't seem like a good place to send your children. (And there's shooting)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

No it's basically universal

Texas also has its own that kids have to do after the US one, every day.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

I would say I went to a fairly typical public high school and most people didn’t say the pledge or stand, although it was definitely read over the loudspeaker during the morning announcements

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago

The Nazi party of America - the GOP - has spent so much time and money creating fascist propaganda for decades. The country largely ignored it, because it didn't really "do" anything and most people were like "ok. It's a bit strange, but whatever."

The military is to be praised. The boy scouts of America have promoted flag ceremony, and allegiance to state. Sports are practically religious events, so your team is part of where you live. The more you buy, the more you help America. America's international superiority is paramount to our health. It's been ready for a long time. It just needed ignition.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

I wouldn't be surprised if my town was the exception and not the norm (I'm from a relatively progressive town in a consistently blue state) but at my public high school I only knew of 1-2 people out of the 500 people in my grade that stood up during the pledge of allegiance and a good percentage of the grade hated them because they were high key homophobic.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And the worst part is that it was created in cooperation with a flag company partly to hopefully sell more flags.

That's capitalism for ya.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is this true? Honestly it wouldn't surprise me but I'd never heard this before

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you go to the Wiki article linked above, you can find the whole story of how multiple vows of fealty have sprung up over the years under the Origins section, but the last bit on Francis Bellamy is the important one as that's the one used today.

Some useful highlights from that section:

The Bellamy "Pledge of Allegiance" was first published in the September 8, 1892, issue of The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's arrival in the Americas. The event was conceived and promoted by James B. Upham, a marketer for the magazine, as a campaign to instill the idea of American nationalism in students and to encourage children to raise flags above their schools.[28] According to author Margarette S. Miller, this campaign was in line both with Upham's patriotic vision as well as with his commercial interest.

Francis Bellamy and Upham had lined up the National Education Association to support the Youth's Companion as a sponsor of the Columbus Day observance and the use in that observance of the American flag. By June 29, 1892, Bellamy and Upham had arranged for Congress and President Benjamin Harrison to announce a proclamation making the public school flag ceremony the center of the Columbus Day celebrations. This arrangement was formalized when Harrison issued Presidential Proclamation 335. Subsequently, the Pledge was first used in public schools on October 12, 1892, during Columbus Day observances organized to coincide with the opening of the World's Columbian Exposition (the Chicago World's Fair), Illinois.

James Upham "felt that a flag should be on every schoolhouse,"[27] so his publication "fostered a plan of selling flags to schools through the children themselves at cost, which was so successful that 25,000 schools acquired flags in the first year (1892–93).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks for the detailed response. That is absolutely wild

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it's absolutely insane, which is why I remember it lol.