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34,000 people showed up for Bernie and AOC in Denver (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Unless you change how elections work and how politics are funded a new party in the US will always be dead on arrival.

A Bernie - AOC party would face immense hurdles as they lack the infrastructure and the funds the Democratic party has in place. On top of that corporate and oligarchic interests would all make sure to put in enough funding to ensure they will fail.

I love the energy but you have to be realistic. Their best bet would probably be to reform the Democratic Party from the inside.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

It either happens in the mid-terms or never. If progressives win big, you have a chance of changing DNC leadership.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Perhaps if they piggybacked some sort of strike movement and/or cooperated with trade unions (plus focused only on a few seats initially)? That's what the Labour party did in the UK.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I think this is probably the only time a whole third party could spring up. The heavy handed approach of oligarchs has caused this.

Reforming the party is the same as making a third one because what you're reforming is oligarch interests. Corpo Dems don't want that. That's calling for a party split

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not true. The system suppresses third parties. It doesn't stop them. Parties fall in the US just like everywhere else. When was the last time you spoke to a US whig? Or a Jeffersonian Republican? The system in place when those parties fell was exactly the system we have now. It just takes a massive popular effort and a period of severe political turmoil where the country is heavily divided along party lines and a large portion of the country feels entirely disenfranchised (ideally about a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 split between the two parties and people fed up or greater). Happened at the revolution. Happened at the civil war. Happened at the great depression. Guess where we are now? Don't let yourself fall for the lie that the party is eternal. We're on the knive's edge now. It's time to push

Despite what the media wants us to think, both parties are wildly unpopular with their own voters and are primed for collapse. Literally all of the conditions historically needed for social revolution have been met

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Don't let yourself fall for the lie that the party is eternal.

Exactly. More people need to let go of the idea that the people cannot affect massive change like this. Of course change will never happen if you don't believe it's possible.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There are people working on the infrastructure problem now. And if this year with everything going on doesn’t produce interest in the public interest in a third party, nothing ever will. Also, one is whether or not momentum can keep going and if anything would be ready in time by the next election. Two, even if they did win by magic, would the republicans or democrats even work with them once in office? I feel like both sides would sabotage things to make it look like third parties shouldn’t play.

Democrats have been shutting down AOC, no? I feel like reforming the Dems would be a very long road.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Many third parties would happily hand them their spot.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Absolutely agreed. First thing we have to try is to make the party reform themselves. AOC and Bernie have the formula already - the DNC needs a massive push. Like a concerted pressure campaign.

It's not going to be easy but fighting a lawless MAGA with Dems who seem to be stuck in 2012 would be much more difficult. At least now we have some hope because at least these two are out there building the support.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

So did Trump. None took him seriously.