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This is what happens when we let conservatives have any sort of power in society
Gonna get downvoted, but conservative ideals should be present to some minor extent to balance things out. I don't mean modern conservatives or Republicans, but the concept of fiscal conservatism (e.g. preventing waste in the military). I'm not talking about the fIsCaL cOnSeRvAtIsM that current Republicans preach either, like hollowing out social programs to give tax cuts to their buddies. So yeah that's of course not what we have now, but there should be a healthy balance for that kind of thing.
The problem is that what you describe is not conservatism, it's just basic competence in governance. It's an impressive achievement of the radical right that they have managed to get people to conflate the two.
Sure that's fair. Whatever you want to label it, there needs to be some kind of balances against full progressivism so it doesn't go extremely far to the left. I say this as a pretty far left progressive in most things, but have some minor conservative ideals (such as individuals wanting to support themselves without relying on outside sources). Again, I'm well aware that's not modern Conservatism in the US these days.
You mean we shouldn't have social welfare programs?
No public healthcare, no public housing, no public infrastructure, no public health services, no free public education, no social security, no universal basic income
How are any of these bad?
Knowing Better has an incredibly informative video about the history of meritocracy, rugged individualism, and fiscal responsibility in America. I think you'd find it interesting
Who said any of that? You're making up stuff I didn't say...
People that need help should absolutely get it in all those forms. I'm talking about like, not participating in the economy as much. Growing your own food, relying on yourself as much as possible. Like I said in other comments here, I think I've horseshoed around off the left and I've ended up in a hyper-local community driven economy mindset.
When you mentioned conservative values of not relying on outside sources, that's what I thought of due to the historical context of individualism that the video goes over. Didn't mean to imply you were personally against those things.
I'm guessing you're referencing reducing personal consumption? I'm supportive of that, the idea is rooted in anti-capitalist sentiment. Growing your own food is just a fun hobby, I don't think that has any real political leaning. Food Cooperatives with local communities, such as a neighborhood garden, are left-leaning tho.
Conservatives have historically used the rhetoric of "relying on yourself, not others" to justify gutting social services and replacing them with private businesses as a way to accelerate profit seeking.
No, community driven is great. I want to do more myself
See how quick you were to go to the extreme and start strawmanning everything in your previous comment though? That's the problem.
You mentioned conservative values multiple times, so I took that at face value
sure but in every comment I made it very clear what I think of those programs
Not really when your mentioning conservative values as a counter balance to progressivism. I'm glad you clarified but it certainly didn't come off that way