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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah only 2 generations ago, LGBT people were considered mentally ill. 4 generations ago women were considered unfit to vote. 8 generations ago about half the US though it was OK to own slaves. It takes a while for ideas to die out. That's why US elections turn out the way they do.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Humanity isn't progressing uniformly forward like this. Lgbtqia+ people were considered normal part of society by various cultures. Also Magnus Hirschfeld was an advocate for lgbtqia+ people a hundred years ago. Slavery has been transformed into modern slavery because the western world has found other, more concealed ways to force people into labor. Ideas may die out, but they will pop into people's head again and again.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And yet discussing progress in this manner can be a confort. All that you said was true... But what the person you replied said was also true. Two generations since fertilizer or two generations since we locked in Malthusian anarchy[please note I do not espouse Malthusianism]. Three generations since the worst war known to man and three generations that did not experience that kind of war. Glass half full, glass half empty. It's correct to question the myth of unstoppable progress thru which you can just kick your feet up and relax. But equally is it important to keep perspective remember that, yeah, eight generations ago chattel slavery was a bonafide institution and four generations women were unfranchised. Things get better and they get worse. We make progress and it is wiped away. We still keep trying.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Two steps forward. One step back

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago

two steps forward, random.randint(1,4) steps back.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Wonder how long it'll take before we get to step forward again. As far as I'm seeing, we're in for a long ride back. Not just for 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

The American people are pretty fickle. It won't take long for them to become unhappy with the Republican party. Of course once that happens and you and I are celebrating "Yay! We got rid of the fascists!" they'll be going "Hmm... These other guys are pretty uninspiring. Maybe we should try fascism again."

* There's a big asterisk here that this is all predicted on elections continuing unabated. Which is not a given.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

And when the Democrats put up the same fascist policies in continuation of the status quo and refuse to defend those who find themselves targeted by Republicans, you will "hold your nose" to vote for them and cry at anyone who refuses to fall in line and do the same; in fact you will actively work against their efforts to build up power in resistance of both parties just because it won't immediately pay off and you're too brainwashed to believe in any power but the two-party system's power. And then your party will lose anyways and take another step rightward in response. I know you people, we've done this whole song and dance before.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm guessing you didn't vote for Kamala.

Let's see if we were wrong about Trump's 2nd term being uniquely dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks for proving my point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Sure, I prefer Kamala over Trump and MAGA, that is true. Obvious, even.

But I'm guessing my point is the one about to actually be meaningfully proven over the next few weeks or months.

Will you regret letting Trump in if he starts rounding up people on a large scale and committing human rights violations in their detention? Or will you not?

Voting was a strategy to prevent it. You seem like you didn't participate.

You don't need to tell me what you did, but did you do anything? Did you have to not vote in order to do what you did?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This has happened before. Even after Abu Ghraib Bush Jr won re-election. Even after Iran-Contra the Republicans won re-election.

But the fact is that they do not have the answers. They can only take things for themselves, and hope that people give up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Civilian Drone Strike Obama and Palestinian Genocide Joe aren't better

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump made it President for life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago

No way that would last long, it's just not how Americans tick

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I pray america doesn't last his lifetime or that it dies with him