I mean have they seen how good Ice Cubes and Mlem look? How can they choose the default Twitter and Reddit apps over those masterpieces.
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What are your complaints (iiuc) for Bluesky?
See the context and discussion on previous posts here:
https://lemmy.world/post/20178783
https://feddit.uk/post/19947326
my personal dislike for it is that the claims of decentralization are countered by how expensive it is to operate in a truly decentralized manner.
To be truly decentralized you would need to run a relay server, not just a PDS which many people already do and simply holds your data. Unfortunately, the cost to run a relay server today is already about $500+ a month [1] and will only be getting more expensive.
Lastly, while the fediverse has figured out decentralized DM's, Bluesky DM's are completely centralized [1] and only work thanks to being funneled through their servers. I wouldn't call what they have private considering they can read what everyone on Bluesky is saying privately. Granted, fediverse DM's are not encrypted either, but at least they're decentralized and don't allow a single provider access to everyone's private messages.
[1] https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
Thank you so much for putting in effort to try and cite your claims and for providing a references section! This is a practice that I think should be much more common. PM me if you're interested in the citation style that I use.
Just saw some of your comments and really like how you're using the spoiler tag. Will try to emulate it going forward. Appreciate your feedback and style. The internet urgently needs more comments backed by evidence!
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Keep in mind that my citation style is still very much a WIP 😜. There's a few things that I'm not sure exactly the best way to handle, at the moment. If you see inconsistencies in my citation style, it's likely because I'm trying out a change in formatting to see if it works. I'm trying to not let perfect be the enemy of good, so I'm developing it as I use it. Eventually, if I can get it to a satisfactory state, I'm planning on publishing my citation style (likely in some git repo). That way, I can standardize it and version the changes.
FYI, I've heard a couple reports ^[1.1][1.2]^ that the spoiler tag isn't rendered properly on some front ends currently. Despite that, I haven't altered my usage of it, as I don't have any viable alternative at the moment.
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Just that there's nothing keeping Bluesky from enshittifying the same way Twitter (and all the other centrally-corporate-owned social media platforms) have. By migrating, the former Twitter users are just delaying the inevitable.
Could you elaborate on what you mean?
I'm not sure what else I can say about it. Bluesky is a shareholder-owned company started by Jack Dorsey, one of Twitter's co-founders. Current CEO of Bluesky has promised not to "enshittify" Bluesky with ads, but there's nothing really holding them to that. There's no federation, yet. Well, there is, but not the kind that makes platforms like Mastodon and Lemmy decentralized. That kind will require at best a lot of work and funding. There's no guarantee it'll happen. And no guarantee of interoperability with the Fediverse.
At any time, they could decide they've locked people in well enough that they can change all the rules and fuck over the users without any negative reparcussions to them. Just like Reddit and Facebook and every other platform that has enshittified lately. They could flood Bluesky with ads, sell your data, align politically with fascists, sell to Twitter, just straight shut down, or any number of evil things that leave their users with the choice to quit the platform and lose all their connections or grit their teeth and bear it.
On the Fediverse, if you don't like something about your instance, you can switch instances and mostly still have contact with all the same content and other people. (For instance, on Mastodon, you can switch instances and keep your followers. The first Lemmy instance I joined shut down permanently, so I switched to Lemmy.World with basically no problems whatsoever.)
To be fair, Bluesky is specifically registered as a public benefit corporation ^[1]^. Whether that will mean anything positive in the end, I guess, is to be determined.
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Not OP, but the leadership has just shown themselves to be unable to run the platform how users want. They're refusing to ban serial harasser Jesse Singal. Its head of trust and safety banned a bot and its creator because the bot pointed out that they liked a porn post on their work account for 'harassment'. Bear in mind the entire point of Bluesky is for all this info to be public and easily accessible.
To clarify, is your only complaint about the platform related to moderation?
I mean just because the info is there doesn't mean you should run with it. It's just rude