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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Term limits mean the only people left in washing that understand the system are lobbyists and consultants. As for age, there should be twice annual fitness tests after the age of 65. There are some geezers that are still very capable mentally.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

California has term limits for state officials. It has worked out exactly as @[email protected] has said. It's just another stupid quick fix that actually makes things worse. You get a revolving door where elected officials are always looking for the next place to jump, and it disproportionately empowers the party officials who can offer those steps up the ladder. You love the DNC? That's how you get even more of a dead hand in control of elected officials.

But as for fitness tests, those can be too easily gamed, and whoever administers the tests will now have extreme political power with no responsibility. So that's as bad an idea as the literacy tests for voting in the US south used to be, and for the same reasons: selective enforcement and corrupt application of the rules.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Any system based on medical or intellectual tests is doomed to fail. There's a reason we had to end literacy tests. Any test has to have people that design, administer, and grade the test. Age limits are a crude and blunt instrument, but there is a reason we use them for other matters of politics in the early stages of life. We have a voting age, not a voting competency test. And we have minimum ages for House, Senate, and Presidency eligibility. Yes, you could try to write qualifying exams for these positions, but the history of literary tests shows how that would go. Age is a crude instrument, but it is objective. You were born on certain day, and assuming accurate public records, that is a fact that isn't open to interpretation. It is clear and unambiguous.

An age limit for high offices makes perfect sense. If we can have minimum ages, we can have maximum ages. And any argument for why maximum ages won't work would also apply to minimum ages, yet our constitution is based on minimum ages, not fuzzy ability tests.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

You have a moronic take. I understand the federal government's inner workings better than Trump and I've served 0 terms as president.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

elon is arguing for term limits

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

That's because he knows they're antidemocratic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

term limits give even more policy setting power to elon, a guy who is rich but not elected

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

That's not really true, Elon's "position" already doesn't have a term limit. Even if he supports it doesn't automatically make it bad for us or good for him, you need to support your argument.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Term limits make more elected officials lame ducks. That weakens their power relative to the civil service and the unelected party bureaucrats.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Term limits don't stop the seat from voting, it just makes the seat more likely to promote change and new ideas and perspectives. It actively helps remove the oldest members of congress. There will always be a senate or congress seat, the term limit is for the person sitting in it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As someone else mentioned it will make them more corruptable because elected officials will always have to be looking for the next thing for them. Better not piss off industry if you want that cushy corporate job after you're done! Oh next year I'm jobless, better get what I can now! Not that the current system is perfect but it will make lobbyists and oligarchs more powerfull, not less.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

That doesn't sound any different from currently?

Lobbyists and Oligarchs already offer post-term positions to congressmen.

In fact they'd just have to pay more than they do now because instead of one guy for 16 years of service its something like 4 guys for 4 years of service each.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So Bernie shouldn't be a politician anymore?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Probably a fair trade to remove half the mummies in congress and get younger more progressive people in there. Bernie is getting on in years, we should be supporting potential replacements regardless.