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They exchanged text messages and emojis. Brief status updates with words of encouragement. A picture of the beloved family dog "Tutsi."

Until no more messages came.

And then, Cindy Flash, an American, and her Israeli husband Igal vanished into the violence, presumed kidnapped by Hamas.

Four days after Hamas attacked Israel, more than 100 Israelis and potentially dozens of foreign nationals are thought to be held captive in the Gaza Strip. At least 14 U.S. citizens have been killed and an unknown number are still unaccounted for.

Flash, 67, originally from St. Paul, Minnesota, is one of them. She lives in Kfar Aza, a kibbutz in southern Israel near Gaza, where some of the most harrowing and grisly stories have been emerging during the last few days.

"They are breaking down the safe room door," Flash said in one of her final messages to her daughter Keren, 34. "We need someone to come by the house right now." She had been communicating with her parents from a few houses away.

Keren described her mother, who worked as an administrator in a local college, as someone who had the "sweetest biggest heart," who everyone knew and loved, and who had spent a lifetime advocating for the rights of Palestinians, including those who live in Gaza where she may now be held.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This seems more like an example of wrong place wrong time because nowhere in the article does it state that they were specifically targeted. What it does say is that they lived right next to the fence ~~and that they and their neighbors both had safe rooms. To me, when you (and your neighbors) feel the need to build a fortified room to protect yourselves during a potential attack that says~~ this area is potentially very dangerous.

Also, stop conflating the Palestinian people with Hamas. Not all Russians are committing war crimes in Ukraine. Not all Americans stormed the US capital on J6. Not all Saudis were on planes on 9/11. We do not need to further dehumanize ANY of the people who are now suffering through this now and the MANY who are continuing to have suffering brought upon them.

Nobody can excuse attacks on civilian populations for revenge. This goes both ways. And whether or not this poor sweet lady and her husband are still alive, I'm sure she would be equally abhorred that her life's work is being used as an excuse to undo the very thing she worked towards.

Edit: I've been informed all homes in Israel must have safe rooms by law.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Israeli here:

  1. Every house in Israel has to have a safe room by law
  2. The place where she lived was close to the border but completely within Israel. It wasn't a settlement at all.
  3. Most kibbutzim in Israel are known to be centre-left. This is well-known to anyone who even vaguely follow the Israeli media (and Hammas follow)

Hammasb (not the Palestiniens, Hammas) knew exactly who they murder. There is no excuse to wash their hand.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

"It wasn’t a settlement at all."

Your entire country is a settlement.

There are Palestinians that are older than your "state".

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

Every country is a settlement, you're really not making a point.

Look into the chain of events that caused Israeli/Palestinian enmity, then what caused those events, and so forth. You'll find the only innocent side here are the civilians.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Palestine became a state at the same time. there was never a Palestine before that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s slightly older, it became a British mandate state in 1920.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah the area has always been a provincial administrative division but I'm pretty sure the last time there was a sovereign state controlling that general area, it was a Crusader kingdom. Before then, it was Judea before the Roman conquest. Relying on historical sovereignty isn't a very good argument since the area wasn't sovereign before 1948, and it was divided by UN mandate in 1948.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Palestine isn't a state. It never became it state. It never has been a state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

lmao that's just as BS as saying that Israel isn't a state