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The 2024 US presidential election had been widely characterized as one of the most consequential political contests in recent US history. Although turnout was high for a presidential election – almost matching the levels of 2020 – it is estimated that close to 90 million Americans, roughly 36% of the eligible voting age population, did not vote. This number is greater than the number of people who voted for either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.

More than a month on from polling day, eligible US voters from across the country as well as other parts of the world got in touch with the Guardian to share why they did not vote.

Scores of people said they had not turned out as they felt their vote would not matter because of the electoral college system, since they lived in a safely blue or red state. This included a number of people who nonetheless had voted in the 2020 and 2016 elections.

While various previous Democratic voters said they had abstained this time due to the Harris campaign’s stance on Israel or for other policy reasons, a number of people in this camp said they would have voted for the vice-president had they lived in a swing state.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can't fathom why people put all the blame on the voters

Unreal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Most voters don't have luxuries of having time or education to make deep dives into issues, and are swayed by some nonsense.

And think what you like, it's usually not something they choose voluntarily or consciously.

I can't fathom how people point out how 'pulling yourselves up by the bootstraps' is BS, and then they point to tired, underpaid, health issue ridden public and say: "you should know not to vote for this!!1!".

Then Harris panders to the right and the same people don't understand how she could lose. Really?

AOCs voters said they are tired of the status quo. Something we all know and understand. And we know the DNC will never let go of the status quo. Where does this lead to?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Most voters don't have luxuries of having time or education to make deep dives into issues, and are swayed by some nonsense.

Arguably most voters wouldn’t have needed to take a deep dive into issues to see Trump was the worse option, a shallow one at most. A swim would’ve been enough, really.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

AOC's voters said all sorts of insane, idiotic shit, when she asked why they voted for her but also Trump.

It was trivially easy, and took very little time, to inform yourself about the two options. There is no excuse. People need to take responsibility for their decisions, and blaming everyone but themselves is just copium.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those are the people you have to convince to vote, that's all.

If you keep ignoring them, nothing will change.

This attitude is what brought the results. Ignoring masses to pander to billionaires is not going to win democrats anything. Pointing fingers to other side and announcing 'we are better than them' worked only once.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes, and them not voting is one of the reasons we are where we are. So you agree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, obviously in democracy you need people to vote for you.

And in order to achieve that, you need to convince them to vote for your cause. If you don't, it's not their fault. They vote for what they believe, no matter how crazy and stupid it may be. That's also part of the 'rule of the people'.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I can see that you will do everything you can to keep yourself convinced that people who voted third party, or chose not to vote at all, bear no responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

I hope you're able to one day acknowledge what's happening, and accept that you fucked up and take responsibility for your action (or inaction).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I'm not saying they are not responsible for the outcome. But they voted for what they believed in. If you want to vote for your side, put effort into it.

I am not an american, I vote, and am very sad that elections everywhere go to the bad actors. And I realize that I need to do more so that better actors get more votes. Or this won't change.