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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I get so confused with people portraying Gen Z as these radical socialists when time after time voting shows they are anything but. Especially Gen Z men as a group are extremely conservative. At least in the US.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gen Z men think being rude and unrespectful will get the girlfriends. They are in the not fucking around phase of not fucking around and not finding out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

That's sadly nothing new

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Gen Z is just more extreme in their views, regardless of what their actual politics are.

The rightists want a Reich, the leftists want a global communist revolution, and there's no center.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

and i just want to be alone on my computer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://www.prri.org/research/generation-zs-views-on-generational-change-and-the-challenges-and-opportunities-ahead-a-political-and-cultural-glimpse-into-americas-future/#page-section-8

This poll suggests otherwise.

Gen Z adults (21%) are less likely than all generational groups except millennials (21%) to identify as Republican. Meanwhile, 36% of Gen Z adults identify as Democrats, and this rate is similar to other generations, with the exception of Gen Xers, who are less Democratic (31%).

With the exception of millennials (24%), Gen Z adults (28%) are notably less likely than other generational cohorts to identify as conservative. And Gen Z adults (43%) identify as liberal at a higher rate than other generations. A plurality of Gen Z teens (44%) identify as moderate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You read the Adjuster's manifesto? It's neither "liberal" nor "conservative", but rather, has elements of both the left and right i.e. moderate according to your data. That's just the US. People are incoherent in their ideas.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

People tend to be among their age group online. Social media and online forums are conducive to echo chambers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

They are the least liberal generation since they grew up surrounded by the failings of liberalism. They are either hardline conservatives or leftists. Very few fall between those camps

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
  • Ages 18-24: 44% for Trump, 54% for Harris
  • Ages 25-29: 52% for Trump, 48% for Harris
  • Ages 30-44: 52% for Trump
  • Ages 45-64: 56% for Trump
  • Ages 65 and older: 61% for Trump

https://circle.tufts.edu/2024-election

More conservative than in the past, but so is the whole country (by votes- most Americans don't vote). Compared to other age groups though, gen z voted less conservative (unless you consider that Harris is basically a conservative)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Keep in mind that those numbers are always going to be off from reality. Also it will vary heavily by state.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I didn't mean to imply that Gen Z is less conservative than older generations. A pretty low bar to pass under lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

how does the word "conservative" mean the same thing from generation to generation if the issues important to conservatives change every generation? I'm asking about the term, not the politics

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Might be the “horseshoe effect” where they (ultimately) converge on a few things. Change the tshirt, and that would fit trumpy gen z too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I too have seen the horseshoe effect in play as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Horseshoe theory is an incorrect oversimplification of extreme politics. If it were true then anarchists would be no different than fascists, which couldn’t be further from the truth.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I’m not asserting that they are close to the same, but that they end up aligning on certain issues more than either “side” would admit, especially at the ends of the horseshoe (like violent frustration over the same things, and disdain for some common institutions).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I don't believe authoritarians of different feathers flock together, but that doesn't mean I'm right.