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I wonder what the chances are that the coming administration invalidate such marriages, probably on some dumb Christian nationalist grounds
No one should bet against it.
Anything is possible, but it would be far more difficult to invalidate existing marriages than prevent new ones. Which is exactly why couples are rushing to get it done now.
They are openly stating they will deport legal citizens... so, acting like their should be no concern might not be a great idea.
It's already happening in Italy, so there's no reason to believe the GOP would hold back.
Italy has never recognized same-sex marriage.
Sorry, Captain Pedantic — they have same-sex unions (and recently banned travel for surrogacy specifically for gay couples)
It’s not pedantic when it’s two different things.
What legal differences are there between unions and marriages in Italy?
Eligibility:
• Marriage: Only for opposite-sex couples.
• Civil Unions: Only for same-sex couples.
Adoption Rights:
• Marriage: Opposite-sex couples can jointly adopt.
• Civil Unions: No joint adoption rights; stepchild adoption is possible but not explicitly protected by law.
Parental Recognition:
• Marriage: Both parents are recognized automatically.
• Civil Unions: Challenges in recognition, particularly for children born via surrogacy or assisted reproduction.
Surrogacy:
• Marriage: Not explicitly addressed for opposite-sex couples but may be permissible under specific conditions.
• Civil Unions: Surrogacy is explicitly prohibited for same-sex couples, and pursuing it abroad can lead to legal consequences in Italy.
Thank you, the recent surrogacy ban is taking a right away from unions, correct?
Which implies that before said ban, unions and marriages were one step closer to the same right.
You listed only differences. What are the similarities? Are taxation and inheritance significantly different? Are property and financial benefits different?
It sounds like the pedantic difference is that union is marriage for same sex couples, and that now they’ve stripped rights from same sex couples. (Which they could do either goddamn way, since these fascists can just redefine same-sex marriage at any time anyway).
Anyway…
Supreme Court has already signaled that gay marriage is on the chopping block.
Weren't they against sharia law?
Only if you call it that.
Conservatives everywhere hoping for some religious issue to enter into legal dispute based on a woman named Sharia so they redefine that term just like they do with every word that describes their shit-baggery.
I wonder how this would work with their anti-trans initiatives. If a transwoman tried to marry her girlfriend, would it technically be legal under their backwards laws?
Transwomen aren't people, silly! /s
No, they see us as criminals and will deny every right they can, marriage, public service, equal treatment under the law, medical insurance/medication, freedom of association, speech, and even our right to exist. The point is to criminalize and erase our existence from public life.
Logically yes, but they are not bound by logic.
the Democrats defended Roe v. Wade so hard it fell so it is scary what four years of Republican rule will bring
We don't get much from the democrats. But at least we do get something. I'd really hate to be one of those people that spent the whole last year as "useful idiots" for foreign Nations and oligarchs. Screaming about how Democrats are just the same as Republicans and just genocidal murders.
I assume most didn't want things to get worse. Didn't want trump. This has to be like ashes on their tongue. I hope that they and the people they misinformed/demotivated. Will be ready to show solidarity if we're ever given another chance at elections. And do what it takes to keep Republicans and their allies far away from any elected office for the rest of their lives.
Yes I hope all those center-right neolibs running the party realize the failure of their ways and join in solidarity with those of us on the left. I have my doubts though.
Well until such time as an actual left-wing party a cruise any sort of actual power we're going to need them. And the best way to make them better with us. Feeling in local State offices which Republicans often run for unopposed with actual leftist candidates. Who will largely caucus with the Democratic Party. Building our influence inside it and dragging them left. Not engaging doesn't persuade them anymore.
tasted like ashes since the one and only time was allowed to cast a vote and Obama got it
both parties have utterly failed the US and it is past time to face the reality that both parties are bought and paid for
I knew you would not be one of the ones that learned. Enjoy the Trump administration. You worked hard for it. 😀
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Real talk though folks. I'm chuckling a bit at the pyrrhic silent down votes. I bet I could name every one. But don't be like the magats. Don't give into the sunk cost fallacy and commit to destroying things like verdy and the others. There's no value in unrealized ideological purity.
This will be a harsh setback. And a lot of our friends and family are going to suffer. But they're counting on everyone getting their shit together. Learning the lessons that need to be learned. Standing in solidarity against the oligarchs. Better still, liberating the minds of those they manipulate to stand with us.
Whether you want an actual left wing party to electe. Or the relegation of neoliberal and liberal economic policy to the dustbins of history. That starts with relegating Republicans to the history books like the Whigs. Running and supporting actual leftist candidates locally. Especially in red States. And working to make democrats better at the national level where it makes sense. If Republicans disappeared tomorrow the current Democratic Party would crumble in an instant. Splitting into two at minimum. Wouldn't that be a beautiful sight to see. But we're not going to get there by destroying things. Only by building.
Interesting how you blame people on the left for not supporting either one of these right-wing candidates and then get all giddy throwing Trump's victory in their face. Your comment is indistinguishable from some MAGA supporter posting on Facebook.
Perfect is the enemy of good
Or you’re just a right wing shill… probably that
This statement is such a cop out used to justify literally anything.
I'm a right-wing shill and not the person telling people to "enjoy the Trump administration?" I guess having standards and wanting to hold politicians accountable for their actions, politicians who are supposed to be above all this right-wing villainy, especially when those actions lead them to losing control of every branch of the government, is no longer en vogue in the Democratic party. Everything they do is "good" by virtue, and criticism is not tolerated, just like we're a bunch of MAGA sycophants.
Seems like you guys would rather have the Republicans win elections than ever consider embracing the left that's supposed to be the backbone of the party.
Sorry, I must be talking about a different country. In the USA, I don’t think anyone ever claimed the left was the backbone of the democratic party
Okay so let's start with this. Just because someone is nominally on the left. That does not mean that they are good. Authoritarians like leninists are nominally on the left. I don't trust them anymore than I do fascists. Which is to say not at all.
Second there is plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats definitely own some of it. But let's not be naive and say that all these people going around spreading a lot of the misinformation and hyperbole didn't have an impact. They absolutely did.
Finally I was putting it in one particular person's face. A known unrepentant quantity. If you go on to read what I posted later. I spoke about other people who got used learning the lesson and coming back to stand in solidarity with the rest of us to actually make things better next time.
Also if you know anything about the American electoral system. When it comes to National elections like the presidency. The winner always comes from one of the two major parties. Are they both right wing? Absolutely. Would I rather be having to deal with the less abjectly horrible right wing personality instead of the most abjectly horrible one? You betcha. Is your ideological Purity going to keep any of these trans people or gay couples from being targeted and attacked by this administration? Would this have been a similar issue under the other Administration? If you're honest the answers are clear. And yes as a leftist, and Anarchist even. I can say that I would have rather had the Democrat, and the people fighting against the Democrat 100% helped the Republican win. That's not even a controversial statement.