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Remember this is a country that had a population of 52 million before the USSR collapsed.
Now they only have 3.7 million men left who aren’t maimed or currently being maimed and killed.
Still think abandoning communism and gleefully joining the west was the right move? Do average Ukrainians realize they live in a ghost town of their own making?
? What evidence is there to indicate the "average Ukrainian" chose this path? The western empire doesn't exactly come in and ask for permission from each citizen to turn their country into a proxy.
That war poorly worded on my part, I meant to say that it was Ukraine’s own making, and wondering if average Ukrainians understood that. Not that random individuals are responsible, although the population of Western Ukraine/Galicia is extremely reactionary and aligned with western backed Nazis. Bandera support is not some isolated thing, it’s the majority opinion in the western areas.
I’m going to need some proof that this holds true to any significant degree and tht the average Western Ukranian is even like this. I’m not some expert on Ukraine, I’ve never lived there nor been there but I made friends with several Ukranian immigrants before the war and that was not the impression that I got at all. I went to fucking campfires with Ukranians and Russians before the war, and they seemed virtually indistinguishable amongst them selves.
This is purely annecdotal but your OP sounded like some shit Libs would tell the few Muslim voting abstainers about not voting for Kamala. Like, stop away from the keyboard and relentless adherence to taxonomy, realize 1. This country is fucking destroyed, real people have lost their homes and b. As much as you’re allowed to sympathize with modern Russia you owe no allegiance to them as a communist, you presented your argument as if 3.7 million people remain in Ukraine as a result of the fall of Communism and, you know, not the war between them and the Russian Federation.
https://www.dw.com/en/stepan-bandera-ukrainian-hero-or-nazi-collaborator/a-61842720
74% of Ukrainians view the Nazi collaborator favorably
If they don’t want to be blamed maybe they should stop supporting Nazis, just a thought.
Ukraine's population had already fallen from 52 million to 40 million before the war in 2022, before Russia "destroyed" Ukraine (Ukraine was already a decaying, falling apart relic before Russia ever stepped foot there). Sane people who didn't worship Nazis fled early and often, leaving a lot of scum at the bottom of the barrel. Non-Nazi Ukrainians joined the DPR/LPR movements and voted to join Russia because they were so ashamed by their ex-countrymen's fascism and nazi worship.
You conveniently brought up the statistic that was made after Nato carved the country into a proxy husk.
Right so 32% of total Ukrainians, 74% of those remaining, IE the Galicians in the west and in Kyiv regime occupied areas, as I said
The western controlled incumbent Ukranian regime turned Bandera into a war hero, renaming entire building and streets and having a holiday in his name and yet 56% were still skeptical to the point of not even saying he was a positive figure and 32% saying he was a negative.
You didn’t misword anything, you were truly blaming average Ukranians for their country being a geopolitical ragdoll, and not still part of an already dissolved Soviet Union