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Imagine having a government that demands things of its corporations instead of the other way around
American government actually makes more demands on their citizens. Street level China is still very laissez-faire in most cities.
Imagine having a Government that uses political prisoners as forced laborers.
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The lowest is Massachusetts, at 275 per 100K. China is less than half that, at 121.
yeah just imagine
Actually all prisoners in America are political prisoners because politics determines the laws that put them in prison
That's a funny way to put it, but kinda sorta true. Anti-cannabis laws for majority black users...
No need to imagine. Slavery is conditionally legal in the US, as written in the Thirteenth Amendment.
The person you're replying to never even refuted the claim about China. Many people don't know about the 13th amendment, so it's actually relevant to the conversation. Your weirdly hostile reply isn't relevant because it's reductive and misplaced. If you truly cared about forced labor, you wouldn't be trying to squash conversation about it.
No, it's just Yankeestan.
Why not both?
Because there is actual evidence for Yankeestan while there is no evidence for this happening in China. Not only that, but per capita incarceration rate in China is far lower than in US overall.
Sure but I think it probably isn't as easy to gather evidence for this in China than it is in the US. That's why I think it's fair to assume the lack of evidence doesn't mean it isn't happening. There's evidence this occurred in collapsed regimes of similar stripes. It's plausible that China isn't an exception. I'm not at all suggesting whether this is widespread or not. I have no clue. It could be extremely rare.
No question about the incarceration rates.
What is this notion that it's harder to collect evidence in China is based on exactly, also what collapsed regimes of similar stripes are you even talking about?
I'm talking about other one-party communist regimes like the ones in the USSR, Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, East Germany, etc. Yes I'm aware they're they're not identical, including in rates of political prisoners. The one I'm from had relatively few.
Not sure what you're talking about then because after the dissolution of USSR and transition to a liberal capitalist regime both crime and incarceration shot up dramatically.
Originally I replied to this:
It was about political prisoners not general incarcerated population. The aforementioned regimes did hold political prisoners for obvious reasons.
Yes crime skyrocketed after the fall of those regimes.
The US has plenty of political prisoners. Again, it's not clear to me what basis there to suggest that USSR or China ratio being higher.
Yes.
I don't know if it's higher I just think it's not zero.
But the people above you didn't suggest zero, they suggested the officially reported numbers. Earlier it sounded like you were going to make an argument as to why Chinese numbers are more likely to be under-reported than USA numbers.
I don't have to imagine that I live in the US
Imagine having a government that uses incarcerated people of colour as forced laborers.