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[–] [email protected] 19 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (5 children)

I’m guessing you meant this sarcastically, but you may have been right for the wrong reasons. Look at this graph, by the metric of the way the fediverse works that is a failure. Apple and Google are massively dominant because people don’t want to think about it and most just go with their phone os maker who makes them create one when setting it up, and there is no fediverse server equivalent to that.

a graph of email users by domain. apple and gmail dominate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Wow, I wouldn't have thought that Apple Mail is more popular than Gmail.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So you are saying Mastodon won't take off because people need to choose a server but also because having a "default" where majority will ptobably end up is bad - but this is literally the solution to the problem you mentioned

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It's the solution on the user experience side, but not the backend/server side. For both infrastructure and idealogical reasons. These two things don't have to be the same.

Disney parks wants park visitors to feel like their exploring, but design in such a way that thepy don't actually stray that far from the preferred paths. Also they have clear sign posting.

There's no reason the fediverse can't design the opposite. Helping users into feeling like there's a set path, and that they're doing the right thing, while subtly encouraging exploration.

It's just the opposite of where all talent and techniques of internet software design are right now, so it's going to take some work.

Edit: Most people don't jump into a hedge to get off the main road, they find a small, unplanned trail or desire path, then learn to navigate the jungle when that path ends.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago

I don’t think I’ve ever received an e-mail from an Apple Mail address.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This looks like it's conflating service providers and clients. Thunderbird doesn't provide email accounts to the public as far as I know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

~~Same with Apple mail right? I never used an Apple device and was shocked to see them over Gmail because I thought Apple actually gives email service when I saw the graph~~

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Apple does have an email service, but I think "Apple Mail" is the name is the client, not the service.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Apple does give email service for two decades now

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Oh I see. Thanks for the clarification.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Nevertheless email stays the defacto standard for business communication and has stayed intercompatible with a wide range of clients, servers and plugins. So this graph could be better but is apparently not a big issue as long as companies and unis keep running their own servers, forcing big tech to stay with the standards.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

That works when the decentralized protocol is the 800 lb gorilla first. You can’t get there with the fediverse in this internet era, sadly.

Email also doesn’t have a moderation factor that requires emotional work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The matrix protocol is a good example to prove you wrong. It has been popularized in the past 5-6 years (i.e. this era of the internet) it has well over 100 million users and growing, is being used in hundreds of universities and wont stop growing, is being used by government bodies all over the world and has unified most of the software dev landscape into one protocol. Its hard fucking work and you have to start with exactly those groups which are easier to convince and then you can move on to the average consumer. Thats how email did it and thats how matrix will do it.