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Doesn't matter who said that violence is sometimes necessary that still isn't a valid response to "maybe let's not just kill people on an ideological basis"
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why fascism cannot be stopped.
execpt the nazis, right? we kill the fascists, right?
Sure, but the nazis were actually committing violence against their "undesirables" systemically, en masse. Same with slave rebellions, they were very much so morally just.
However killing my dad because he doesn't think drag queens should be doing story hour is a bit different. He's not putting drag queens in camps with signs like "Hosen Macht Frei," he's not in support of violence or pogroms to stop them, he's not attempting to take France and Poland and kill their drag queens, he just is old and doesn't understand and says words about it. Imo killing people for using their words in a way we don't like is A) fucked up and B) stooping to the level of the actual nazis, like, the WWII ones.
fascist is a specific thing i'm saying we should attack, and while transphobia is often part of a fascist ideology and movement, it is not sufficient to determine whether the ideology or movement is fascist.
tldr i didnt say we should kill your dad, i said we should kill fascists.
No I'm not saying you said that, I'm saying others do. While I agree with you about actual fascists, my problem with currently advocating for political violence is the people who would use it on my dad are not in the minority of political violence supporters saying "drag people from their homes." They already call people with that exact view fascists even without knowing if they do support using violence on drag queens or "just don't like it." It seems we're kinda in the minority of that one and I'm just speaking out against that.
(Also btw I think it's technically homophobia, afaiu drag queens or kings aren't necessarily trans, some just do that for the shows. Right?)
You fight the Nazis when they're actively literally killing people, or imminently threatening to, yes. Notice how that is an action, not ideology.
Do you suggest actually just going after people who are ideologically fascist regardless of what they have or have not actually done?
>You kill the Nazis when they’re actively literally killing people, or imminently threatening to, yes.
what's the point of waiting til it's happening or it's imminent? you know who they are and what they are doing. stop it now by any means necessary.
"lmao yeah just murk people who haven't actually done anything"
Nazis, not people.
Right, they just crawl out of the sewer somewhere, real productive analysis man.