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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I agree that the US have way too many way too big trucks but this...

Ambulances and firetrucks in Europe and Asia are smaller than most american pickup trucks.

... is just wrong. I live in Germany and even small villages with only volunteer firefighters have full blown trucks way above 10 tons.

Most fire departments have something like this:

MAN TGM 18.330 Tank with 4,000 litres of water 18 tons total weight

More specialized departments close to industrial facilities, airports can be also much bigger. This one is currently the biggest weighting 52 tons.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Most fire departments have something like this:

Okay, but look how short that is compared to the American equivalent:

More specialized departments close to industrial facilities, airports can be also much bigger. This one is currently the biggest weighting 52 tons.

Okay, but look how short that is compared to the American equivalent:

The longer the truck is, the larger the turning radius it needs at intersections. The larger the intersections are, the faster regular cars drive through them. The faster the cars drive, the less safe it is for everybody else.

Deciding how large a vehicle a street should accommodate is called choosing the design vehicle. You pick that, and then the whole street is designed around it.

Guess what: here in the US, we often send even trucks like the second one I pictured -- the one that's even longer than your "industrial facility and airport truck" -- to residential neighborhoods. Fire departments want to own trucks like that and we just fuckin' let them. And that's why our neighborhood streets are too often designed like goddamned airport runways!


Edit: Oh, and by the way...

I agree that the US have way too many way too big trucks but this…

Ambulances and firetrucks in Europe and Asia are smaller than most american pickup trucks.

… is just wrong.

The MAN TGM 18.330 you cited has a wheelbase of 3,900/4,200/4,500 mm (source).

A Ford F-150 Super Crew with an 8' bed and an F-250/F-350 Crew Cab with an 8' bed, both of which are considered pretty typical American pickup trucks, have wheel bases of 163.7" (4158mm) and 176.0" (4470mm) respectively (source).

He's playing a little fast and loose with the notion of "most," but otherwise, no, he's actually not wrong!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Weight doesn't matter in this context? US firetrucks are almost a meter wider than german ones. A german firetruck is only about half a meter wider than a Ford F450.

And also firetrucks in US are first responders, they go before ambulances for most emergencies.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Here in 'Murrica, they send something like in the second photo when grandma falls in the bathroom.

Yes, I'm exaggerating, but not by much. The truck in the first photo is smaller than the trucks my city fire department has. There's a retirement community not far from where I live, and they send a ladder truck for medical emergencies there several times a week. I'm not really sure what use 4,000 liters of water would be when somebody is having a stroke.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not really sure what use 4,000 liters of water would be when somebody is having a stroke.

They send a firetruck if someone is having a stroke? Isn't there a dedicated ambulance for such cases? A ladder truck might make sense to get patients out of a big building but other than that that? Or do they have just one single vehicle that they use for all purposes?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Watch the Not Just Bikes video, if you have the time and interest. The short answer is: yes. The trucks are enormous because they carry all the equipment for any sort of emergency, so they send the big trucks to every call. Not every fire station has an ambulance unit, so the trucks can get to many locations more quickly.

It's ridiculous.