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bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe (midwest.social)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Even if more people die on the bottom track than are shown in the drawing, it will still be true that no one dies on the bottom who isn't also dying on the top, and that more people in total die on the top. (IMO, and I think in the opinion of the first group of people I described.)

If the folks who don't want to vote Harris due to Gaza are doing so for some reason other than what I outlined above, I'd love to hear it. Because if they aren't trying to get rid of the Trolley than why the fuck would they be taking action that increases the chance of the trolley going to the top track?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Weird to repeat myself, since the original words are there. Let's see if you ignore the point again:

If democrats as a group broadly endorse the genocide of Palestinians, how can they still be taken seriously regarding issues like abortion (rights ended during Dem presidency) and BLM?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If democrats as a group broadly endorse the genocide of Palestinians, how can they still be taken seriously regarding issues like abortion (rights ended during Dem presidency) and BLM?

I skipped over it because it's practically a non-sequitur, and it's nearly the same argument as Trump vs Harris on Gaza. You've got the party that might do something good and you've got the party that definitely will do nothing good, and you have no other viable option. Not a difficult choice at that point, for me.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

So the last time you pulled the lever for Harris, Democrats solved all non-Palestinian-genocide related issues?

It's dumb of me to question your lever pulling logic?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s dumb of me to question your lever pulling logic?

No, but it's pretty disingenuous to suggest that either all problems must have been solved or else I should make a choice that might let Trump in.

I'm not here to shame anyone for how they are voting, and don't really care what you think of my "lever puling logic" - I was trying to get at the heart of your trolley analogy.

And yes, it's exactly as stated - you are very focused on the Trolley, while I consider it an unstoppable force at this time. All the rest of our "argument" is just restating that difference more explicitly.