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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If Kamala isn't stopping the genocide or even holding Israel back, how will Trump be worse? What could Trump possibly do that's worse than genocide?

America absolutely has the capacity to supply far more equipment than it already is, and it has a track record of engaging in bombing campaigns in its own right in similar situations. Like in Yemen, under Trump. I do not want America to start bombing Palestine directly as well

"Finish the job" vs "finish the job faster", either way the same result, genocide.

If they get to finish the job. The less quickly they can finish it, the more of a chance there is of Israeli and/or international public support turning against it enough to actually change it. The American election is not going to do that by itself because both realistic candidates are pro-Israel, so there is no point in making decisions that only work if they completely stop the genocide by voting or not voting.

You clearly also think that there is a chance of it being stopped since that's your foundation for saying faster genocide is preferable. I don't think your logic holds there, because I don't see why a faster one would be likely to fail faster. On that basis, slower means fewer dead Palestinians.

It comes off as someone who doesn't actually care about the issue and just wants to get their talking points out about why genocidal Trump is bad and genocidal Democrats are good.

Literally every point I made was explicitly rooted in what I believe will result in the fewest Palestinian deaths.

They most likely insulted you because they read what you wrote, the same reason I didn't respond initially.

I accused them of not reading because they started off by trying to nitpick me by restating the exact same thing I pointed out literally in the same sentence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago* (last edited 29 minutes ago)

America absolutely has the capacity to supply far more equipment than it already is

So you do believe that Biden/Kamala are holding Israel back in their genocidal efforts and not fully on board? Well then this is the core of the disagreement.

I believe we are giving Israel whatever they need and to the degree they even posture towards "holding back" it's done, not to protect Palestinians, but to protect the apartheid entity from overextending and overexerting itself.

If they get to finish the job. The less quickly they can finish it, the more of a chance there is of Israeli and/or international public support turning against it enough to actually change it.

No. You don't stop genocide by hoping that the ones doing the genocide have a sudden change of heart and turn nice. This is actually a ridiculous thought.

You're again basing this on the belief that the current speed of Genocide is only because Kamala and Biden are slowing Israel down, and not because it's been determined to be the most effective strategy.

Biden and Kamala are actively engaging genocide. They WILL NOT stop the genocide out of kindness or because of "public opinion". The public already dislikes genocide, yet are willing to vote for the ones carrying one out...what will actually change?

You clearly also think that there is a chance of it being stopped since that's your foundation for saying faster genocide is preferable. I don't think your logic holds there, because I don't see why a faster one would be likely to fail faster. On that basis, slower means fewer dead Palestinians.

Yes, it can be stopped not by the well wishes of the ones carrying out the genocide, but by strategic failures and overplaying of the aggressors hand.

A faster genocide is more likely to fail as a faster genocide would be a poor strategic decision and rushed actions would more likely lead to bitxhed results and miscalculations.

Again, you're parroting a very common Israeli genocide denial/justification narrative that Israel isn't going as hard on Palestinians as they could.