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ik that Biden isn't re-running, but Kamala is basically the same from the macro pov

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The opposition to Third Parties is not an endorsement of Genocide, but a call for solidarity on other issues. This isn't a "Genocide vs. no genocide" election. There are a lot of other issues on the table and ignoring them over one subject that won't be covered anyway is shortsighted

FPTP will render third party votes useless, and every vote going to a third party instead of one of the two actually realistic candidates will serve as a spoiler. Anyone who explicitly decides against voting for Harris/Walz implicitly decides that they're fine with Trump. If you're in a deep blue state, you might be fine either way. But if you're in a swing state, consider this:

If Trump promised to end the Palestinian Genocide, but all other points of his agenda (labor protections, lgbt rights etc.) were the same, would you vote for Trump instead? Would you fuck over every other bit of progress for that one issue?

Not that it's a choice you'd actually get (even if Trump made that promise, you'd be smarter to not believe him), it's a way to check your priorities. If you'd rather use your protest vote to signal disapproval over the Genocide stance than to affect tax policy, abortion law, LGBT rights, the separation of church and state and basically every piece of civil liberty that the Republicunts have made it clear they want to erase, then you're an idiot at best, a bad faith actor at worst.

Yes, Genocide sucks. The best way to do something about it is to spread awareness, organise protests, make discontent with the issue a matter of public attention. This election won't change it, unfortunately.

This ballot isn't the place for single-issue-votes, or even multi-issue-fringe-votes. If the Overton Window can be yanked back to the left and the Christofascists left behind, to the point that the current center becomes the right fringe and there is actual space on the left, then the time will have come for actually progressive issues, like fixing the election system. But for that, the people trying to eliminate Democracy entirely need to go first.

Vote for the things that are on the agenda, not the things that aren't.

[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 3 hours ago

Anyone who explicitly decides against voting for Harris/Walz implicitly decides that they're fine with Trump.

And anyone who explicitly decides voting for Harris/Walz explicitly decides they are fine with genocide irrespective of Trump.

If Trump promised to end the Palestinian Genocide, but all other points of his agenda (labor protections, lgbt rights etc.) were the same, would you vote for Trump instead? Would you fuck over every other bit of progress for that one issue?

In a fantasy world where he would actually do it, yes? So you're saying you are okay with max libertarianism in your own county even if that means ethnically cleansing an innocent population in another? That's a very backwards understanding of liberty and human rights.

Also saying "that one issue" when we're talking about a literal genocide is super rich. Would you have said the same thing about the Holocaust? "I know this Hitler guy really hates minorities but look at how much he loves doggos and what amazing things he's doing for the German economy!"

If the Overton Window can be yanked back to the left and the Christofascists left behind

You see voting for a party that has vowed unwavering support for an oppressor to exterminate a native population as a move to the left? You'd rather vote for Librofascists than Christofascists and that's your choice - I'd rather not vote for fascists at all.

Just don't blame voters that draw a hard line at genocide if the Dems lose, rather ask why they are willing to throw an election by not taking a hard stance against the literal worst crime against humanity.