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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I genuinely don't understand how uranium can exist a priori in this argument but lead not? I might be missing something.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The original post only gave half the explanation. It's not that lead exists in general, it's that lead exists within zircon crystals.

Under normal circumstances that would be impossible, zircon crystals strongly reject lead atoms as they form. There's no way to stuff lead into the crystal lattice in the quantity we find them there. But uranium and zircon go together just fine, we just have to wait for it to decay into lead. The trouble is it takes ~4.5 billion years for just half of those uranium atoms to turn into lead. So any zircon crystal we find with half as much lead as uranium must be roughly that old

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

This the explanation I'm looking for. OP didn't make sense to me, lead could be created in supernovae and shit just like every other heavy element

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But that still doesn't change the belief that a creator could have created the universe in whatever state it currently exists in. That's why these arguments never go anywhere with hard core young earth creationists. It's also not worth the energy arguing with them because they often believe that anyone trying to convince them otherwise is an antichrist trying to lead them astray.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

It doesn't. It was never the point of his post. You can still believe that if you want. His reasoning for why he doesn't is outlined there.

It comes down to whether or not you find processes that we have researched and documented time and time again to be compelling evidence, or you want to believe it is a practical joke (while reductive, it is pretty much that argument breaks down to being).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If God created it in that state then they should be curious to understand that creation. They look at rainbows as the beauty of creation but not the fact that lead exists in these crystals. It's all equally beautifully complex. So why not try to understand it.

If God made the world look like it was created billions of years ago there must be something worth learning from that, even if you believe it was snapped into existence 6000 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tbf for your specific example, rainbows are specifically mentioned and "explained" in the Bible. After drowning all life on Earth except for Noah and a bunch of inbred animals, God sent the wainbow down as a pwomise that he would nevew do it again 👉👈

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair they weren't inbred yet

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They were by the time they got off the boat though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's no mention of meat pies in that story, not even sandwiches.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Is that an inbred-in bread joke? Sick.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, it’s not at all a compelling argument.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't it more about being able the view the whole life cycle of lead, which takes more than 4000 years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

"God put all of that there, and then made it work to ensure we had quality lead gasoline, pipes and paint to poison our brains with cause freedom."

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is that what were doing now? Regurgitating stereotypical insults on a post where the "pro science" side dropped the ball and leaned on a ridiculously stupid misunderstanding to disprove something stupider?

You all fucking disappoint me.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Who do you think you are? No one cares. ACAB, and religion is bullshit.