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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Don't use biometrics and if you do, power off your phone before it's siezed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

Fun fact: You can have two factor authentication where a PIN and a Fingerprint are required on android.

This can be done with work profiles! Set a pin for the normal phone unlock, and a biometric for the work profile. To get to any data in the work profile, someone would need both factors.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

PSA hitting your power button (5)? times in a row (however many it takes to bring up the SOS screen) on an iPhone will disable biometric login until you’ve entered your password again.

You can also hold to power down but not actually go through with it, I believe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's not how it works on Android phones. Different Android phones will work differently based on the manufacturer and customization of the installed OS.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago

Hence why they said “iPhone” in their post.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

That does not encrypt your storage. It simply disables the biometric authentication methods. Which means they can see your stuff if they get into the phone via a exploit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

iOS encrypts the storage by default. Don't know about android but I'm sure if not by default it can be enabled.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I never said anything about the phone not being encrypted by default. I am talking about the emergency mode iOS devices have.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

You literally said 'that doesn't encrypt your storage'. I've read some other comments of yours about it being decrypted after entering a pin or passwords in memory...that's not how it works (again at least in iOS), it's managed by hardware. Basically a chip enters your password for you. So no, an attacker can't access your storage, it's still encrypted, or your password that easily.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

You didn't read the article you linked to, did you?

The encryption by default you speak of is before the first unlock, that is, locked with something like a password or PIN. After the first unlock, the decryption key is stored in memory and your filesystem is pretty much vulnerable to anyone that can get access to the memory. That is why you can even unlock your phone with your face or fingers, because all that is a simple boolean value that indicates whether you logged in or not. You can't "generate" or get a key from your face nor fingers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

In a lot of modern phones, and particularly iPhones, the encryption key is stored in the TPM. The TPM itself handles the encryption and decryption of data. If someone manages to get read access to the system memory, the most they're getting is whatever cleartext data is stored in memory for cache or process memory.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Correct, though it still is saved somewhere. Just like how TPMs in Computers can be exploited as well, this also can be. What I meant in my original comment was that the emergency mode did not clear that hardware chip's storage and do a full encryption of the storage, which others said otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Ah. Then yeah, emergency mode won't suffice for protecting the full contents of the disk.

I can't say Apple actually does this, but it is possible to protect important data by further encrypting user data with a separate encryption key derived from the passcode, and then clearing the key whenever the screen is locked.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago

I mean, they can do that if biometrics are disabled altogether too. Encryption isn’t really what’s at issue with biometrics vs. passcodes. In the US police can force you to put you to input a biometric but they can’t force you to enter a passcode.