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‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza
(www.theguardian.com)
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Trump stated earlier this year that if re-elected, he would ask Israel to make the Gaza issue "go away" in under a week. It's one thing to be supplying the weapons, but quite another to have the most powerful country give their approval to do whatever it takes to end the conflict to Israel's benefit. There was a Palestinian newspaper article I saw a couple months ago that gave the opinion that under Harris they would get bombed, but under Trump they would cease to exist. Of course when I linked that in a similar discussion I was accused a picking my sources, because hey what does a Palestinian newspaper know about Palestine?
Israel already has approval! The arguments on the phone are kabuki theater
Trump says a lot of stuff. It's usually awful. But he's not much of a do-er, so I don't think anyone can say exactly what he'd do different (the McGurk monster who is running all of this is a literal Trump first term holdover, so probably the same rabid dog would run the genocide either way). Biden is giving Israel explicit permission for all of this, including striking aid workers. Genocide Joe pretending he's not fully supportive of this doesn't un-burn-alive anyone. Words are wind. War crimes are war crimes. You can't be the "lesser" evil perpetrating a genocide.
This sure does read a lot like MAGAts saying "he doesn't mean it like that" when he has repeatedly demonstrated he means the thing he said
I'm sure he means it, I also know he's kind of a mess and there being no philosophical underpinning to his movement beyond him won't lend itself to an effective administration when he's out to lunch even more than last time.
Agreed that we don't know unless he's given the chance to try something, but it's not exactly something I'd like to "fuck around and find out". There have been a lot of reports from people who were on his team during his last term that are talking about how he was talked down from extreme actions, and this time his people already know what they're getting in to and are ok with it. I can only hope Harris can be better than Biden, but we do know Trump was willing to let his own nation (California) burn just because they didn't all vote for him.
Only you can decide for yourself what creates enough urgency for you to support a pro-genocide political party. For me there's nothing. I can't control the moral or amoral actions of others but I can control my own. I will not be a party to genocide. Period.
Voting third-party could lead to Trump winning. He has already stated he will cut all support to Ukraine, which also leads to genocide, not to mention what he is threatening to do to everyone of color here at home. Face it, no matter how you vote, you're going to be a party to genocide. The only available option is to vote in favor of the least amount of damage being threatened by all parties. Yes, even Jill Stein is a problem here because her stated purpose is to spoil the Democrat vote (which leads me to distrust her "concerns" over Gaza even if she does have a history of voting against Israel).
Besides which, if you're a US citizen then you've been a party to genocide your entire life, between our direct interference in the elections of other countries, to straight-up installing leaders of our choice, to simply withholding aid to civilians because our government didn't want to step on any toes. You're living the good life because our nation kills people for profit, so don't pretend like you're not already a party to it.
Well, depending on my tax bracket, which I'm not revealing to you, I may spend a LOT of money on Israel and not benefiting as a party of it -- at the height of the British Empire, the average British household wealth wasn't much more than India. The left heel can grind one population while the right heel grinds another and all the profits go up and to neither heel, thus global worker solidarity. I also don't care if Trump wins. Biden has murdered hundreds of thousands and started a process that will kill millions if not lead to WWIII... With recent events the formerly magic words "antisemitism" and "Trump bad" have lost all power