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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 week ago (33 children)

Partly...

But also that the Dem party today is significantly more "conservative" economically than we used to be, as the article points out:

In 1910, Teddy Roosevelt thundered his warning that “a small class of enormously wealthy and economically powerful men, whose chief object is to hold and increase their power” could destroy US democracy. Roosevelt’s answer was to tax wealth. The estate tax was eventually enacted in 1916, and the capital gains tax in 1922.

In the 1912 presidential campaign, Woodrow Wilson promised “a crusade against powers that have governed us … that have limited our development … that have determined our lives … that have set us in a straitjacket to do as they please”. The struggle to break up the giant trusts would be, in Wilson’s words, a “second struggle for emancipation”.

Wilson signed into law the Clayton Antitrust Act, which strengthened antitrust laws and protected unions. He also established the Federal Trade Commission to root out “unfair acts and practices in commerce”, and created the first permanent national income tax.

Years later, Teddy Roosevelt’s fifth-cousin, Franklin D Roosevelt, attacked corporate and financial power by giving workers the right to unionize, the 40-hour workweek, unemployment insurance, and social security. FDR instituted a high marginal income tax on the wealthy – those making more than $5m a year were taxed up to 75% – and he regulated finance.

Plus, Teddy was the first presidential platform that used universal healthcare....

So part of it is that Republicans lie and propaganda

But if the modern Dem party didn't think the Dem party platform from a fucking century ago wasnt "too extreme" the modern Dem party would be as popular as it was with FDR.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (9 children)

We need to bring back the Bull Moose Party (at the local level, not the Russian-backed spoiler effect garbage like the Green Party is debasing itself at).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I can see the reasoning that the presidency is the biggest office and gets people talking about third parties the most...

But the reason the Green Party is obviously a grift is they focus on battleground states for those presidential runs.

If they were doing what they said they're trying to do, they'd focus on states like Cali where they can get the media attention and votes while not handing the presidency to Republicans.

Like everything in American politics, it all depends on what state something is happening in

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But conversely, the "spoiler" factor of even a fuly realized Green campaign is nil if the Democrats tack left. Pull the plug on Bibi and Jill Stein has very little to talk about.

It's like they know the party will never bother to win those voters, and assumes they'll capture them as good-enough/lesser-evil.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

If she did this and raised taxes on corporate and individual wealthy, it would be a win of historical proportions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Yep, if the easiest votes to get were between the two parties, Republicans wouldnt pull the shit they do with far left parties while embracing the far right.

They'd move to the center to fight for those mythical "moderates" or at least have the Green party positioned slightly to the right of the Dem party.

But they're not. Because Dems just use those mythical moderates as an excuse to do what big money donors want. Moving to the right is effective at raising money from billionaires, but completely ineffective at increasing Dem votes.

The party and the voters don't have the same goals.

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