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Tankies turn giddy over the radicalisation of a child. Already, the child is denying genocide, praising stalin, racist and celebrating violence
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not everything is related to another conflict in the middle east dude, it wasn't even mentioned here. lol
also careful. "Zionism’s hold on our government and politicians, per AIPAC." is the same as alt-rights "Jews control the government" -- Not allowed per instance rules
Its funny how the self proclaimed communists are far right
I disagree; foreign policy has a lot to do with our country and what happens in other countries as well.
Zionism =/= Judaism
Many that are for censorship try to make it seem like it is, so continued support of genocide can continue, but we must not fall for their talking points. to make it seem like it is, so continued support of genocide can continue, but we must not fall for their talking points.
So you just go around randomly bring this up? It might be better to find a different hobby.
This is literally all that Jimmy does. Linkerbaan as well. Bitching and arguing with people about the war in Gaza is their entire personality and life. Must be a very miserable life.
Yeah. I find most people who are obsessed over the conflict as just bored people
And they develop Lemmy...
Yeah I can't say they are all that agreeable but I have respect for the development aspect
Do you support a two-state solution? If the answer is yes, then congratulations, you are inherently a zionist. If your answer is no, then I hope you're not advocating for violence, as that is disallowed.
Even Israel is against a two-state solution and a one-state solution.
Israel's goal has always been to remove all natives from Palestinian land.
This conflict has been ongoing for many decades, while continuing to escalate, ceasefire, and negotiations should be the goal, but it seems WWIII might be closer to happening than negotiations happening again.
I won't argue about which side wants what; it's a pointless discussion that won't get anywhere.
I can only warn you not to say anything related to alt-right hate speech, such as claiming that Jews control foreign governments. It's not allowed.
What does AIPAC do?
I did not bring that up; you did.
Here ya go, an infograph: https://lemmy.world/post/19431152
Alright, I've warned you twice to stay on topic, and you're still ranting about this. Your propaganda post is also unsourced and comes from an extremist account that engages in doxxing.
He is probably a sock puppet from someone on lemmygrad.
That guy is a raging antisemite that marets his own hate videos on lemmy.
I disagree.
Again:
Zionism =/= Judaism
I don't need your "opinion" on facts. Stfu nazi.
They're not a nazi
He is. Wanting to destroy Israel ("Anti Zionism") is a inherited Nazi ideology.
Lmao, the Nazis themselves were Zionists. They wanted the Jews out of their country and saw zionism as a compelling way to get them out.
I'm not even particularly keen on relying on that opportunistic relationship to group zionism and nazism together, but it would be quite ridiculous to suggest anti-zionism is Nazi ideology.
Except at the same time Nazi Germany was also courting Amin al-Husseini (who was later the leader of Mandatory Palestine) and instructing the arab world to slaughter their Jews.
It's pretty clear that Nazi Germany wanted them in one place to make the extermination easier; hence why they gathered all the Jews they could find.
Saying that Nazi Germany supported Zionism is a gross misunderstanding of Nazi Germany and Jews in WW2. It makes it sound like Nazi Germany was a-okay with Jews so long as they stuck to their own place, which is blatantly false and highly suspect to even be arguing.
It also explains why caliphates in the Middle East are rife with Nazi German rhetoric and why there are so much Nazi-era books and reading material inside Gaza.
Yes, that was my point. It wasn't that they were 'a-okay with Jews', it was that supporting Zionism served their interests in driving Jews out of Europe. Especially now, when Nazi Germany is still very much a part of our generational memory, Nazis lean on those apparent contradictions to deflect negative attention and re-frame their movement for the modern age.
You'll notice a lot of neo-nazis support Zionism (particularly American neo-nazis), and it's for a couple reasons:
That isn't to say that Zionism is a nazi ideology, just that Zionism just happens to align with their interests at the moment (and in the 1930-40's). I largely think this misconception of Zionism's relationship to Nazism stems from a flawed world-view that centers around ideological binaries, instead of a complicated dialectic of various interests. "Something can't be x, it has qualities of y" is just such a pedantic misdirect it's hard not to laugh at it.
Except you are arguing that modern zionism today is the zionism that Nazi Germany envisioned, which it is not.
This is blatantly, horrendously wrong. As you know, I regularly check out what extremists say and do (of course I keep my personas different to avoid doxxing), and I can tell you, right now, in full confidence, that Neo-Nazis of today are all very much pro-Palestine. Neo-Nazis very much support Islamic Extremism as it shares all of their views; the only difference is the racial supremacy.
You too can view them on their websites, /pol/ is the most accessible. Your points are also wrong.
Consider this an immediate warning. It's apologia to Neo-Nazis, Revisionism of Neo-Nazis, and at this point, it's also Off-topic.
Er, no, I wasn't. I was saying zionism and nazism have an opportunistic overlapping of interests, not that they share an ideological origin. Just as a reminder, I'm addressing someone else's claim that anti-zionism is inherently antisemitic, and I'm repeatedly pointing out that zionism has a complicated shared history and relationship with nazism, not that they are the same.
Ah, well then you mush be an authority on the matter. I certainly wouldn't point you in the direction of prominent american neo-nazi and christian nationalists who are quite up-front about wanting to accelerate a religious war with Israel and who use zionist messaging to encourage those tensions - as an expert on the matter - you would already have knowledge of them. I would certainly not feel the need to refer you to the many historical accounts studying the topic.
You are clearly spending your time in those forums for purely academic reasons, and not at all to manufacture agitprop that supports your particular political ideology.
Don't threaten me with a good time. If you're going to ban me then ban me - I'm not finished calling out genocidal zionist apologia where I see it in your comm.
Actually the idea was to put the jews on to a island to let them die there, this Idea was replaced by the Concentration camps later on.
Actually yea, kinda. Modern neo-nazis think that Israel will eventually be consumed in a regional war and destroyed, which might not actually be that farfetched. It's also why you'll hear a lot of right-wing Americans say that we should Nuke Iran - they want there to be a nuclear exchange and for Israel to be destroyed, along with much of the Middle East.
Education is a real mess in the mid west it seems. You are worse than the other lemmygrad guys. You are the embodiment of "i don't understand history and language" just WOW.
Erm,.... back at ya?
I mean, I won't argue on the Israel-destruction thing, but I don't think being secular makes you a nazi.
I'm anti-Zionist, anti-caliphate, anti-Christendom, you know, secular.
Secularism has nothing to do with the wish to destroy Israel, wich is what anti Zionism is. Israel itself is a very secular country, have you been there?
Also 99% of people that are "anti Zionist" are actually just normal antisemitic people that don't want jews to live. Iran for example is famously "anti Zionist" so is Russia, and China.
The not acceptance of theocracies would be a great point to support Israel.
Israel has btw about 20% native Muslim population, they have the exact same rights as the jews and Christians and hindustan (yes Israel has a relatively strong hindu community wich is growing) and there are also many other religions. Guess where there is only one religion?
RIGHT! in the terrorist havens that aren't strong enough to fight these bastards that use them as meat shields and for propaganda.
Remember the Beirut blast? That was a Hezbolla/Iran weapon factory, where they made bombs.
How in the world can a normal human not support Israel and believe the obvious lies about it? Its always the same, as long as it involves jews, its their fault. And when not, they are behind the "bad guys" i thought this ass mentality died after WW2 but no its stronger than ever.
Those are all good points.
I suppose applying it to the Israeli Settlements would be more apt. I reckon if the settlements were dismantled, then the whole anti-zionist stuff would fall apart.
The asshole settlers are hated by 99% of the Israeli population because these assholes make it worse on purpose, they are however not the Israeli government and not on behalf of Israel and these people are basically persona ingrata in Israel itself, most of them are basically Faschists themselves and i wouldn't care for their deaths, they do actually kill innocent people and by doing so endangering the normal Israeli civilians to terrorism. I do wish that the Israeli government would do more against them, but most of the time their resources are bound by the terrorists all around Israel and the capacity to remove the settlements isn't there, also the ass head Netanjahu, or rather some people around him are in favor of them, they are hated by the Israeli people as well.
Why hasn't Israel dismantled the settlements if everyone hates them?
Good question, because some minority in the government blocks that constantly its obvious that Netanjahu is not going to survive the next election, probably nothing of his government. Maybe the next one wollte do something. But these "settlers" are seen as a minor problem compared to the terrorists for obvious reasons.
Anti zionism is not a nazi ideology what the fuck. How is being against people being displaced and forced to live in inhumane conditions something a nazi thinks?
So you are a "Anti Zionist"?
You could say so, why?
Wow imagine admitting following Faschist idiology. You are officially invited to join lemmygrad!
I don't really understand this.
How is being against facism facist?
Doesn't matter, unfortunately.
Per instance rules, no calling people names.
Ok, next time i just repot such people.
I am closer to a Red than a Nazi.
Further clarification: Red being a communist.
Thanks for the reminder of this song:
The lyrics to The Skinflicks's song What I Am are a defiant statement of identity in the face of societal pressures to conform. The song emphasizes the importance of self-expression and the rejection of political ideologies that seek to control or manipulate individuals. The skinhead identity, according to the song, is about more than just fashion choices - it represents a rejection of both far-right and far-left political beliefs in favor of a distinct cultural identity.^[[1] https://sonichits.com/video/The_Skinflicks/What_I_Am]
Song: What I Am - The Skinflicks^[[2] https://youtu.be/5xSP0vBZAd0]
Lyrics^[[3] https://www.songlyrics.com/the-skinflicks/what-i-am-lyrics/]
There is Redfash, wich you seem to be. Mixed nazi ideology with "socialist" values.
Edit: format and added more sentences
TIL.
I disagree with your labels again; you seem to just be using such labels so you can continue to ignore and dismiss anyone that does not think like you want them to.