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One could argue that so called "traditions" they are holding so much dearly in their heart never was fully a thing and is just the product of past idealizations and marketing propaganda. "The perfect suburban american trad family" from the 60s is a construct made by marketing people to sell fridges, diamond and beautiful car.
Had one working parent and stay at home moms. But they don't give a single fuck about that part of it, do they?
They don't talk about the 90% top tax rate either.
"Nobody paid that. They just reinvested in their company [and their employees and reputation] instead."
No shit. Sounds great. Let's do that.
The world is honestly too far into the crumbles for it to work like that anymore, they would just use circuitous accounting to funnel it into bunkers, militarized yachts, private armies, and extra planetary fever dreams.
Can't just give up though. It's one step towards making things better.
We don't have to solve it all at once.
Oh I don't propose surrender friend.
A flat unmitigated tax rate on the rich.
Or a flat unmitigated axe rate on the rich.
Idealizing a fake era of greatness which came before the weak, but also very powerful bad people took it away.
Now where have I heard that one before? 🤔
It was an era of greatness, but conservatives destroyed it.
An era of greatness... for white people.
Climate change is a thing and back then life was cheaper, this "MuH WhIte PeOpLe" shit needs to stop. 80s and 90s were not some sort of ethnonationalist world where black people were genocided.
I thought we were talking about the 1960s? You know, the era that where black people didn't have civil rights or even voting rights in some places legally until the middle of the decade and were still being lynched in significant numbers? The era where both Malcolm X and Dr. King were assassinated?
I stand by my comment.
Again, I repeat: climate crisis automatically makes the current times worse.
Were it for me, 70s, 80s and 90s on a loop forever.
Wait, vietnam, forcing nuclear tests on unwilling island population, the tatcher years. The LITTERAL HOLE in the ozone layer (hey, we fixed that one yay us, just for this one bit, the climate is still fucked). Not saying your feelings are invalid, but you are cherry picking what 70s, 80s and 90s means to you, it is not a full picture of how bad it was for bunch of people. yes, stuff were cheaper back then and some people could afford house, but misplaced nostalgia past some cultural artifact isn't really acknowledging the continuity of how shit human can be to each other for made up reasons.
No. Fucking. Climate. Crisis. And. House. With. One. SALARY. Who. The. Fuck. Cares. About. Vietnam.
Yeah, that was better, i can only agree on that one. But listen if you can't get the argument that nostalgia is a distorded depiction that isnt reality, I won't insist. Have a good one stranger from the internet.
No, man, as you said, it isn't nostalgia. It really was better, again, as you said.
Sorry... worse than the prospect of getting lynched and not having basic civil rights?
That's quite the position of privilege you're coming from.
Climate. Crisis. Is. A. Thing. And. Will. Not. Spare. Anyone.
You Americans should stop be so fixated on "muh race", because civil rights are not going to save you from 120F weather and not being able to buy a house.
Like I said, that's quite the position of privilege you're coming from.
What basic human rights have been denied to you? When has a whole town tried to murder you?
Climate change.
Climate change.
Climate change.
Repeating "climate change" doesn't answer my questions:
What basic human rights have been denied to you? When has a whole town tried to murder you?
Please disabuse me of my prediction that the answer to the first one is "none" and the second one is "never."
Ok, I have been lucky enough to never have my rights denied, because I don't even live in America.
Maybe you people need to realize that many people don't miss people black people being hanged, but being able to run a house with one salary, not having crazy seasons, the Earth not hitting warmth records every year, a not corporatized world and not having youth with their brains fried by Tiktok.
And yet you are insistent that a black person in 1964 was better off than a black person in 2024, which is just demonstrably false. I demonstrated it already.
And not just America. Most of Africa was oppressed by white European colonists.
No, I never said that. I said that the average Westerner had it better in, say, 1984/94 than 2024.
Again- we were talking about the 1960s. The person you responded to made that clear. I made that clear. Everything I referenced was about the 1960s and you kept saying climate change makes today worse.
You are either being dishonest or not reading anyone's posts before you respond.
You're right, sorry, forgot about the first comment of the chain. Still doesn't change my point.