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I've no idea, all i was stating is that dismissing race as a part of the decision making process (consciously or unconsciously) in a place known for outcomes based on race could be considered dumbing down the argument.
Entirely laughable, which is why nobody has claimed this.
I was saying these people are what makes up the statistics.
As an entirely made up example:
"10% of the population don't like the taste of potatoes" doesn't mean 10% of the population base their decisions about eating fries on reading the statistics.
claims such as "All the people i know like potatoes , so potato preference can't possibly be related to the amount of fries eaten" just doesnt make any sense.
and to be clear I'm not claiming all positions are race based, just that it's enough of a factor that pretending it doesn't have any impact at all is some gold medal mental gymnastics.
I think knowing that these voters base their position on abortion on the belief that it is murder hurts your position so it's better not to answer. Or you just don't know them that well and really have no idea.
The argument that these voters' position on abortion (and therefore their votes) are based on race necessarily requires that they are aware of the statistics. If the claim is they vote this way because it disproportionately harms minorities, how do they know it disproportionately harms minorities?
But I'm glad we agree that they do not know that.
I mean, i've no idea because it's never happened, you also have no idea.
You can assure me it's true all you want, your assurances mean nothing to me if they don't make any sense.
It does not, at all.
A decision can easily be based on a belief, an understanding of relevant statistical values isn't required.
That's not the claim, the claim is "Some people vote this way , wholly or partially because they think it disproportionately harms minorities"
They probably don't know , they may think it does, or hope it does, or not care at all either way.
There are of course people who are voting solely on their opinion of "baby murder is bad", nobody is or has been arguing otherwise.
You are arguing race isn't a factor, i am arguing that that's an impossible position to defend and no "All the people i know aren't racist" doesn't count as a valid defense.
Common ground is a good basis for understanding.