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Not trying to clickbait but is this the end for kernel-level anti-cheat? (www.notebookcheck.net)

submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Microsoft has officially announced its intent to move security measures out of the kernel, following the Crowdstrike disaster a few short months ago. The removal of kernel access for security solutions would likely revolutionise running Windows games on the Steam Deck and other Linux systems.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

It's probably going to move to hardware attestation similar to what Android and iOS are doing. This may or may not be a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Can anyone give an ELI5 on how hardware attestation works or is implemented on current OSes?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If it works on Linux, I'm fine with it, since I'm not cheating. Just like hardware attestation works on GrapheneOS, because it doesn't decrease the security of Android, in fact, it greatly improves it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's about control. And monopolies love control (governments, too). If we let them, they'll take it and then we're screwed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

Could you elaborate? I don't really see how a hardware attestation feature would take away any of your control? Android phones have had it for a long time, and even Google still allows you to install alternative operating systems on their Pixel phones. GrapheneOS even uses the hardware attestation feature to your benefit, by including the Auditor app, which you can use to verify the integrity of your device.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, idk why everyone seems to legitimately think devs are going to just quietly revert back to usermode anticheat. I could see Riot patching an actual root kit before that happens.

But yeah, more likely MSFT will lobby for hw that is more annoying than secure boot or TPM to get working with linux, every windows app after that point will rely on it "because turnkey security!", and if you ever manage to disable it none of those apps will work on your machine in any OS (if they even worked through proton at all).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They're integrate a low level security framework in c#. Net that needs it and it will be on by default.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Not Windows centric enough. Visual Basic and Excel macros.