this post was submitted on 02 Sep 2024
1 points (100.0% liked)

MeanwhileOnGrad

1338 readers
3 users here now

"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"

Welcome to MoG!


Meanwhile On Grad


Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!


What is a Tankie?


Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.

(caution of biased source)


Basic Rules:

Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.

Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.

Apologia(Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.

Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.

Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.

Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.

You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From your source:

From the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate

conflating anti-Israel sentiment with antisemitism “silence(s) diverse voices speaking up for human rights.

It's certainly not as clear-cut as your first sentence, and I'll remind you that the only agent currently committing genocide in this conflict is the IDF/Likud (who incidentally have used the same wording, in their 1977 manifesto: "Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.")

So no, I won't be editing my comment, because I do not acknowledge your falsehood.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As well as the Likud manifesto, you say?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes. But surely you're aware that the meaning of terminology and phrases change depending on the context?

Hamas' charter has a call to genocide Jews globally, and it also includes From the River to the Sea in that call to genocide. It's hate speech and as such isn't allowed here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can't point out that the meaning of words and phrases changes due to context, and then claim that a phrase is hate speech everywhere because it appears in a hateful context in one place.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay, what do you think it means?

Since currently, it's officially used by Hamas to call to genocide Israel.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

It means that Israel should stop committing war crimes. Specifically that Palestinians should be free, and not caged, oppressed and in perpetual fear for their lives in the geographic area which lies between the Jordan and the Mediterranean. The subject of the phrase is Palestinians; Israelis aren't mentioned, let alone Jews. It's not about oppression for your group, it's about freedom for another. This is evidenced by the complete lack of references to Jews or genocide in the phrase itself. It's very, very basic reading comprehension without any mental gymnastics necessary.